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[–]Musky 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

I get you just want to feel safe, and you think this will do it, but we aren't Australia. The criminals here will always be able to get whatever kind of gun they want, whenever they want it. You're just disarming the good guys.

Also, you have disturbing views on transing children. That's worse.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I get you just want to feel safe, and you think this will do it, but we aren't Australia.

What makes you think that?

Also, you have disturbing views on transing children. That's worse.

Most people would say that your views on transing children are more disturbing. Condemning a person to go through puberty a the incorrect gender is condemning them to a life of gender dysphoria. If you think that's okay, either you don't get what gender dysphoria does, or your enjoyment of the lifelong suffering of others brings colours any discussion you might have on ethics.

[–]Musky 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

What makes you think that?

Why would you ban guns if not for safety?

Most people would say that your views on transing children are more disturbing

That is incorrect, public sentiment is largely against gender transitions for children. The overall majority of Americans, 72.7% view it unfavorably.

It just seems like there's a lot of support from these forever online trannies shrieking all the time.

incorrect gender

There isn't a correct or incorrect gender, you're just born to one and that's it. We don't get a say in it.

condemning them to a life of gender dysphoria

Surgery doesn't fix dysphoria. Even before the tranny nonsense, there were issues with plastic surgeons preying on these people. They will take your money and chop you up, even if nobody can see what you "know" is wrong. And it's still wrong after surgery. My own brother went through that.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Why would you ban guns if not for safety?

No. What makes you think that we aren't Australia?

That is incorrect, public sentiment is largely against gender transitions for children. The overall majority of Americans, 72.7% view it unfavorably.

The survey asks "Are you more or less likely to vote for a candidate in the 2022 midterms elections who supports allowing underage minors to use puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and undergo sexchange surgeries?"

I'm against that, because I'm against surgeries for children, and in the general case, against cross-sex hormones. As I would think most people would be: And that is why doctors use puberty blockers. So that the decision can be delayed until the patient reaches their majority. Partly so they're mature enough to make a competent call, but importantly to ensure that the gender dysphoria is consistent before entering the irreversible part of the treatment.

If you're "CatholicVote" you can construct a survey in a way that it looks like most people support your anti-trans agenda.

There isn't a correct or incorrect gender, you're just born to one and that's it. We don't get a say in it.

You're saying among other things, that intersex individuals don't occur in nature? Or just not in humans?

Surgery doesn't fix dysphoria.

Okay.

I believe that it reduces dysphoria in most cases and completely resolves it in some. (Here surgery means transitioning including surgery. Also hormone therapy and living as the new gender).

What's your best evidence that it doesn't?

[–]Musky 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

No. What makes you think that we aren't Australia?

Australia a small island nation. They're 1/13th the size of the US, and as we saw with their acceptance of counterproductive lockdowns, they are a cowed and complacent people, not exactly known for their intellect. It is far simpler to enact and enforce a gun ban there. We couldn't as heavily regulate guns here if we couldn't stop them from coming across the border as with drugs. That arms the criminals just as readily as ever, but the law abiding citizens are shafted.

You're saying among other things, that intersex individuals don't occur in nature? Or just not in humans?

It is so rare as not to bear consideration and irrelevant to the point at hand. It is ridiculous to say because this tiny percentage of freaks exists that somehow applies to an entirely different group with an entirely different issue.

What's your best evidence that it doesn't?

It doesn't make any sense the treatment for dysphoria in every case except gender dysphoria is not surgery, but therapy, and the only evidence saying transitioning works is highly suspect for being ideologically morivated and based on self-reported surveys -- which are notoriously unreliable as it relies on the patient to assess themselves.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

We couldn't as heavily regulate guns here if we couldn't stop them from coming across the border as with drugs.

Guns go the other way. They're bought in America because of the unconscionably lax laws surrounding their sale, and smuggled over the border from there to be used in murder and defence of drug cartels.

It is so rare as not to bear consideration and irrelevant to the point at hand.

Transgender people aren't common either. Those are the people we're talking about. The people who aren't "just born to one [gender] and that's it."

"Oh we can ignore them because they're rare" is fucking stupid this far into a discussion of trans gender people. Yes they're rare. But we're discussing them in particular.

It doesn't make any sense

There are experts in this field. I'm not interested in what you personally feel makes sense.

and the only evidence saying transitioning works is highly suspect for being ideologically morivated and based on self-reported surveys

Here's a meta analysis looking at 53 different studies. The results are mixed, but it's clear that positive results outweigh negative ones.

Your personal opinions are worth less than even a poorly designed study. At least a study gathers some real world data.

[–]Musky 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Forgot to address this

If you're "CatholicVote" you can construct a survey in a way that it looks like most people support your anti-trans agenda.

But they didn't do the study, they're just reporting on it. Your thing is found in the "Journal of Gay & Lesbian Mental Health," and they say "Some stud- ies reported that initial QoL improvements post gender-affirm- ing surgery were not always enduring," although that doesn't seem to impact the conclusion.

Each of those 53 articles, only half were even considered high quality btw, would have to be examined.

Guns go the other way.

Yes, guns only go the one way now. There's no reason weapons we exported can't be illegally smuggled back in if there was a need.

Transgender people aren't common either

I know two irl. That doesn't seem particularly uncommon.

"Oh we can ignore them because they're rare" is fucking stupid this far into a discussion of trans gender people. Yes they're rare. But we're discussing them in particular.

Intersex doesn't have much to do with trannies, that was the point, and they're rare, so yeah, for the purposes of this discussion they can fuck right off.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

But they didn't do the study, they're just reporting on it.

Quite right. If you're a opinion polling company run by a political consultant for the republican party, you can construct a survey in a way that it looks like most people support your transphobic agenda.

"Some stud- ies reported that initial QoL improvements post gender-affirm- ing surgery were not always enduring," although that doesn't seem to impact the conclusion.

That's right. Some did. The conclusion is based on the results from all the studies.

Each of those 53 articles, only half were even considered high quality btw, would have to be examined.

Go ahead. Table 2 summaries the nature and findings of each of them.

That's because this meta-analysis did examine them all.

That's got to give more sound conclusions that your "It doesn't make any sense" reasoning. If the facts disagree with what you feel makes sense, it's not the facts that are wrong.

Yes, guns only go the one way now. There's no reason weapons we exported can't be illegally smuggled back in if there was a need.

Yes there is. No other country has such crap gun control.

I know two irl. That doesn't seem particularly uncommon.

Nevertheless not counting the group we're talking about is because they're few is not useful to the discussion: People who seek gender confirming treatment are those people that don't fit your claim "There isn't a correct or incorrect gender, you're just born to one and that's it. We don't get a say in it."

Intersex doesn't have much to do with trannies

They make up a significant amount of those people seeking gender affirming surgery. I bring them up because they demonstrate clearly that your claim "There isn't a correct or incorrect gender, you're just born to one and that's it. We don't get a say in it." is wrong.

About 1.7% of the population have some physical intersex characteristics. The vast majority of those are late onset congenital adrenal hyperplasia. Who are born with determinable genitalia, but they develop abnormally. But it's not as rare as you might think. Perhaps the people that you know haven't brought it up with you.

[–]Musky 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

transphobic

Don't use slurs, that's low class.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

"There isn't a correct or incorrect gender, you're just born to one and that's it. We don't get a say in it." is wrong.

Actually it's mostly correct, thanks to the evil archons who lorde over the simulation universe. Sometimes they might let you pick before birth. But even then, if they so choose they'll still find a way to make it miserable for you.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I find the existence of evil archons and existence before birth both difficult to believe.