Left wing newsrooms right now

submitted by jet199 from imgur.com

sorted by:
top
newinsightfulfun
you are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

[–]Musky 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (40 children)

Hahaha, you were trying to tell a gender dysphoric person how things were and got owned. How does anyone not know Vulpie?

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

He's (?) incorrect about transitioning not "working", if working means improving mental health.

But transitioning means living as your gender. Reassignment surgery doesn't have great outcomes for sexual function.

How does anyone not know Vulpie?

There's 8 billion people in the world. In round numbers about 8 billion of them haven't heard of vulpie, because they're not as globally famous as you claim.

[–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

How can you live as a gender you can't be?

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It helps if you pass. That means controlling estrogens and androgens while going through puberty, so it's difficult to retrofit.

But people do the best they can. If you live around people like the ones on saidit, they will present problems that maybe you don't want to deal with. But many places most people will get the idea.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Passing might help cement a denial of reality by convincing others of it, but it won't get my mind back or free me of much dysphoria or fix anything internal.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What do you mean by "get my mind back"?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I can't think or feel right ever since puberty.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Was that the start of your dysphoria?

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, but it certainly got a lot worse as sex characteristics developed. And I think this itself might be one of those.

[–]Musky 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

He's (?) incorrect about transitioning not "working", if working means improving mental health

I bet that's going to age well.

Let me ask you something, if we find out in 10 years the trannies are all just mentally ill and sterilizing them was unethical, would you feel bad for advocating it?

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

It's been more than 10 years. The best treatment we have is supporting them to transition to live as the gender they are.

Sterilization doesn't have to be a part of that.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

It's been more than 10 years

In terms of understanding the psychological and social impact of encouraging people to transition, 10 years is early days. We are only now being allowed to see the horror stories and tales of regret on mainstream media without it being censored or called anti-trans.

The best treatment we have is supporting them to transition

It's not the best treatment for body integrity identity disorder to allow them to amputate their limbs. It is also not the best treatment for schizophrenics to encourage them to do what the voices tell them. Mental health problems have never been successfully treated by encouraging physical alterations that result in permanent inability to reproduce and has reduced lifespan by decades.

to live as the gender they are.

To live as the gender they want to be, or believe they should be.

Sterilization doesn't have to be a part of that.

This has literally been the push from governments, medical institutions, specialists, activist groups and woke parents who wish they had a girl instead of a boy.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

We are only now being allowed to see the horror stories and tales of regret on mainstream media without it being censored or called anti-trans.

Nevertheless it is the best treatment we have in the vast majority of cases.

It's not the best treatment for body integrity identity disorder to allow them to amputate their limbs.

I'm not across what the best treatment for DIID is. What is it?

I notice that people who self amputate have good outcomes psychologically: https://opus.bsz-bw.de/msh/frontdoor/deliver/index/docId/37/file/BIID_successful_Wannabes.pdf

It is also not the best treatment for schizophrenics to encourage them to do what the voices tell them.

True. Also irrelevant.

Mental health problems have never been successfully treated by encouraging physical alterations that result in permanent inability to reproduce and has reduced lifespan by decades.

Are you certain that BIID doesn't have a physical cause?

To live as the gender they want to be, or believe they should be.

The brain is who you are. If you transplant a brain into a body, you don't save the life of the body.

This has literally been the push from governments, medical institutions, specialists, activist groups and woke parents who wish they had a girl instead of a boy.

Difficult to believe. Can you link me to:

1) Some governments pushing this
2) Some medical institutions pushing this
3) Some specialists pushing this. (Do you mean medical specialists?)
4) Parents pushing this

Because I've never seen any of those.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Are you certain that BIID doesn't have a physical cause?

Right back at you. What tests are done to ensure this isn't another issue? Hormone imbalance? Depression? Abuse? None, no tests, no connect the dots, nothing. The NHS just gives kids 3 half hour interviews where they are encouraged to take medication and have surgery. In fact, is it not possible that puberty itself is causing the negative thoughts, depression and confusion? Would it not be more ethical to first allow a child to become mature enough to make a decision themselves without sterilising them, something they might later regret?

If the cause of gender identity is in the mind them why does it require physical alterations?

Why is it that suicidal thoughts and behaviour doesn't reduce after surgery?

Surely you are aware of the Tavistock Clinic scandal, the NHS clinic pressuring kids to go on puberty blockers and is at risk of being sued by thousands of patients?

Why is is that there is predominantly transgenderism in mostly super woke areas like California? Parents push this, there is no way a toddler can be diagnosed with being transgender, and yet it's the norm in wokeville.

If you see what you want to see, I guess you will never have to question your position.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

In fact, is it not possible that puberty itself is causing the negative thoughts, depression and confusion?

That happens a fair bit. The good thing about puberty blockers, is you can stop taking them, and go through puberty.

Would it not be more ethical to first allow a child to become mature enough to make a decision themselves without sterilising them, something they might later regret?

Puberty blockers don't sterilise anyone. Gender reassignment surgery might. Which is why you use puberty blockers on a child.

Why is it that suicidal thoughts and behaviour doesn't reduce after surgery?

They do.

Association Between Gender-Affirming Surgeries and Mental Health Outcomes

Surely you are aware of the Tavistock Clinic scandal, the NHS clinic pressuring kids to go on puberty blockers and is at risk of being sued by thousands of patients?

As with other parts of the NHS, under-funding and under-staffing results in too short consultation periods, unclear treatment pathways due to uncertain diagnosis.

I'm pretty sure if you just left the EU, you could put £350 Million per week back into the NHS, solving these issues.

Why is is that there is predominantly transgenderism in mostly super woke areas like California?

Because kids in conservative places would suffer through rather than bring it up.

If you see what you want to see, I guess you will never have to question your position.

Right back at you.

You didn't provide any links to:

1) Some governments pushing this
2) Some medical institutions pushing this
3) Some specialists pushing this. (Do you mean medical specialists?)
4) Parents pushing this

Did you make it up yourself, or do you claim "Tavistock" is sufficient for each of those?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

The good thing about puberty blockers, is you can stop taking them, and go through puberty.

Many of these puberty blockers have insufficient data on their use in this manner. Some are the same medications used to chemically castrate pedophiles. Some have long term side effects that can increase the risk of serious conditions such as cancer. It is not acceptable to replace the risk of suicidal thoughts with actual risk of physical illness and/or the possibility of inability to later reproduce.

They do.

According to some studies fully backed by trans lobbies, I'm sure. Even so. We do not know that they would have directly reduced suicide rates as a result of the process or as a byproduct of reducing the impact of the natural hormones. If a person is experiencing depression from hormones.and you block the hormones, it doesn't mean that it has been successful. Millions of men and women have hormone changes in later life, it doesn't mean they are all trans.

As with other parts of the NHS, under-funding and under-staffing results in too short consultation periods

The NHS is not understaffed or under-funded. This is headline sensationalism to encourage support for.unions for excessive increases.in work benefits and pay. It is on the other hand, very badly managed. And many high rollers such as GPs barely step foot in work before planning retirement at age 45. Don't give that nonsense, Tavistock was a specialised clinic, it's not like they were busy with A&E patients turning up drunk on Wednesday night after fighting over a food all match result.

I'm pretty sure if you just left the EU, you could put £350 Million per week back into the NHS

The EU is busy punishing the UK by applying more.red tape to our trade than they apply to Venezuela. That and the open door policy to ushering in as many illegal migrants to our shores as they can to reduce the strain on their economy. But I suppose a small island is supposed to be fine housing, feeding, funding and catering for the health needs of 100k illegals a year?

Because kids in conservative places would suffer through rather than bring it up.

Don't be so naive. The entire world outside of California is not conservative. People, children especially are extremely suggestible. Trends become popular and the more a.topic is discussed, the more likely you create a following than you actually discover a following. Pushy parents, far-left indoctrination in educational environments, groomer teachers and freaks on Reddit giving puberty blockers to strangers kids is all perfectly normal for you?

You didn't provide any links to:

1) Some governments pushing this 2) Some medical institutions pushing this 3) Some specialists pushing this. (Do you mean medical specialists?) 4) Parents pushing this

Did you make it up yourself, or do you claim "Tavistock" is sufficient for each of those?

Correct, I didn't provide links because I do not believe every conversation requires an endless glossary of terms, lost of references, etc. Also correct, this example is sufficient because Tavistock was a government run, medical institution, of a specialist nature with reports of nutjob pushy parents, so yes, it literally covered all bases.

When there are hundreds, possibly thousands of adults who regret what they have done, it is the support of those like yourself who should answer for it.

Amputation is not a cure to mental health issues.

Sterilization is not the cure to gender identity issues.

Lobotomy is not the cure to insanity.

[–]Musky 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

it is the support of those like yourself who should answer for it.

I'll get the wood chipper.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Some are the same medications used to chemically castrate pedophiles.

Really? Which ones?

It is not acceptable to replace the risk of suicidal thoughts with actual risk of physical illness and/or the possibility of inability to later reproduce.

Let the patient decide that.

According to some studies fully backed by trans lobbies, I'm sure.

That is the evidence we have. What evidence do you have for claiming they don't?

If a person is experiencing depression from hormones.and you block the hormones, it doesn't mean that it has been successful.

Read the paper. Hormone and other other types of gender-affirming care were controlled for.

After adjustment for sociodemographic factors and exposure to other types of gender-affirming care, undergoing 1 or more types of gender-affirming surgery was associated with lower past-month psychological distress (adjusted odds ratio [aOR], 0.58; 95% CI, 0.50-0.67; P < .001), past-year smoking (aOR, 0.65; 95% CI, 0.57-0.75; P < .001), and past-year suicidal ideation (aOR, 0.56; 95% CI, 0.50-0.64; P < .001).

Millions of men and women have hormone changes in later life, it doesn't mean they are all trans.

True. Also irrelevant.

Tavistock was a specialised clinic, it's not like they were busy with A&E patients turning up drunk on Wednesday night after fighting over a food all match result.

It was reported, based on the interim Cass review, that Tavisok Clinic was "under unsustainable pressure as the demand for the service outstrips capacity ..."

Do you know this to be wrong based on your own research?

The EU is busy punishing the UK by applying more.red tape to our trade than they apply to Venezuela.

And the UK is busy unilaterally ignoring the Northern Ireland Protocol, and watching the Tories go through the fourth prime minister in the five years since May was elected on the platform of providing a "strong and stable" government.

The entire world outside of California is not conservative.

This is strictly only a California effect? Could I look at your data?

Also correct, this example is sufficient because Tavistock was a government run, medical institution, of a specialist nature with reports of nutjob pushy parents, so yes, it literally covered all bases.

Okay. You've got one example for your claim "This has literally been the push from governments, medical institutions, specialists, activist groups and woke parents who wish they had a girl instead of a boy."

You shouldn't really use plurals. And I question whether they are genuinely interested in sterilization.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The brain is who you are.

Oh boy do you have a lot to learn. Your brain is actually a VR interface limiting you to this world and this body. Because this is a simulation or dream of some sort, almost beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes it does. There's no way to avoid being sterilized even without SRS. You'd have to switch sexes for real.

[–]Musky 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Gender reassignment surgery has been around, but we have never had a transgender fad, or so many organizations and institutions push kids towards transgenderism before. We can see the trend, I believe, already beginning in the r/detrans subscriber count.

Sterilization doesn't have to be a part of that.

Sometimes it's just lopping off a nice pair of breasts or adding ridiculous looking fake breasts to a man.

You didn't answer my question.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

It would be a pity, and vanishingly unlikely.

Do you feel bad now, that lives are being saved and mental states improved by transitioning, for advocating against it?

[–]Musky 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That's not settled science transitioning actually helps, and it doesn't take into account the more recent fad aspect to it.

The NHS says it's a phase for most kids. WebMD even has an article about issues with transitioning: Doctors Have Failed Them, Say Those Who Regret Transitioning

there is growing concern among many doctors and other healthcare professionals as to whether this is, in fact, the best way to proceed for those under aged 18, in particular, with several countries pulling back on medical treatment and instead emphasizing psychotherapy first.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The NHS says it's a phase for most kids.

That's why no one transitions kids.

WebMD even has an article about issues with transitioning: Doctors Have Failed Them, Say Those Who Regret Transitioning

A small minority of people should not have transitioned. They were misdiagnosed.

About 97% of people who transition are happy with the decision. It would be better to do better, and I suspect that we are doing better than we have in the past.

But the figures don't support the argument that transitioning is wrong. It is right in the vast majority of cases.

(https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/)

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hello. I like your posts and comments. But you're wrong this time.

That's why no one transitions kids.

Then why is there such thing as a pediatric gender clinic?

Have you seen Jazz Jennings's reality show? Have you heard of Kai? Or the famous trans kid runway model? Kids are transitioned as young as 3 years old, and medical interventions (puberty blockers are the first one) can start as soon as 11. To get a masectomy, you have to be at least 15. Jazz Jennings received sexual reassignment surgery (the genital surgery) at 16 and it required 4 revisions because not enough penile tissue grew due to the effects of puberty blockers.

detransition

When they take surveys on people who have transitioned to see who is happy with it, if they can no longer get in contact with the person, they exclude that data. That means that every person who commits suicide after transition is not counted, and countless others, happy or not, may choose not to take the survey, or if their contact information is outdated or not recorded, they aren't part of the survey.

I really think you should listen to the stories of detransitioners. You'll hear that many of them are homosexuals who suffered with extremely homophobic families. This is particularly relevant with children, as their parents are the ones making the decisions. When a parent sees signs that a child will grow up to be gay or lesbian, they can choose to interpret those signs as signs a child will "grow up to be trans". The parents may be homophobic, in the case of Kai, whose parents openly admitted to beating him for being feminine.

These people are particularly damaged and I don't agree with their views on everything, but listen to their personal stories, and note the theme of external and internalized homophobia.

https://www.youtube.com/@shifterofshape

https://www.youtube.com/@kcmiller1225

You can also check out r/detrans, which has been sanitized in the past year or so, but still has decent content.

Buck Angel is a very reasonable FTM trans person who speaks out against child transition.

Unfortunately, it's happening. And it's happening to gay and lesbian children.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Then why is there such thing as a pediatric gender clinic?

Because Children can have gender disphoria.

Kids are transitioned as young as 3 years old,

Right. When I said "no one transitions kids", I didn't mean social transitioning. Kids do that.

and medical interventions (puberty blockers are the first one) can start as soon as 11

Puberty blockers are to delay puberty so that they don't have to do gender affirming hormone treatment or gender affirming surgery on a kid.

Jazz Jennings received sexual reassignment surgery (the genital surgery) at 16 and it required 4 revisions because not enough penile tissue grew due to the effects of puberty blockers.

That's unusually young to be allowed genital reassignment surgery. Guidelines where I am are 18. But it seems in that case they were pretty confident of the psychology, and they seem to have gotten it right.

That means that every person who commits suicide after transition is not counted, and countless others, happy or not, may choose not to take the survey, or if their contact information is outdated or not recorded, they aren't part of the survey.

It would be more complete if they surveyed the dead as well. But, given that you can't do that, the about ~97% of living trans people is still overwhelming.

I really think you should listen to the stories of detransitioners. You'll hear that many of them are homosexuals who suffered with extremely homophobic families.

It's important not to make that mistake when you're doing diagnosis. If someone has an extremely homophobic family you need to be especially cautious. Mistakes have, indeed, been made.

But the other 97% were correctly diagnosed, and are happier, have fewer mental issues, and kill themselves less because of the treatments that we have for that diagnosis.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Lives are not being saved by transitioning.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How come they are in the UK?

https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/MHRJ-05-2014-0015/full/html

The study revealed high rates of suicidal ideation (84 per cent lifetime prevalence) and attempted suicide (48 per cent lifetime prevalence) within this sample. A supportive environment for social transition and timely access to gender reassignment, for those who required it, emerged as key protective factors.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If social transition is what's most important to these people then they are just confused by internalized sexism. This clouds all the data about real transitioning.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If social transition is what's most important to these people then they are just confused by internalized sexism.

Agreed. But it's not. [A]nd timely access to gender reassignment