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[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The Economist interviewed Dr Scott Gottlieb a couple of weeks ago.

https://www.economist.com/podcasts/2021/09/16/will-americas-vaccine-mandates-work

Interesting to hear a guy talk about vaccination policy who understands what an immune system is.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Lol ok.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

He discussed some things about the waning immunisation over time that I didn't get until listening to that interview.

People are getting a third shot as a booster in response to dropping antibody levels. But antibody levels are the entire effect of immunisation. There's memory cells by which the body knows how to respond to an infection, and so relatively rapidly produce antibodies if the infection shows back up.

When antibodies drop back, as has been observed, it means that you can get infected, and that it can be spread, which is reason enough to get a third shot. But what is not known is how long the memory cells persist, which will affect how quickly the body fights off the infection, and so how serious it will be.

Interesting and informative.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Yea all BS. If for whatever reason memory cells are only retaining covid antibodies for a few short months that means that immunization is impossible and the shots are at best pointless to take.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Yea all BS.

okaaaay.

If for whatever reason memory cells are only retaining covid antibodies for a few short months

No the memory cells (the T cells and B cells) don't "retain antibodies". They generate the antibodies. Well B cells generate antibodies. T cells let the B cells know when to, as well as killing cells that have been infected.

The point is that how long the T cells and B cells persist is not the same thing as how long the anitbodies persist after immunisation. And since B cells can fire up production of antibodies at no notice, that's independent of the current antibody level, but an important aspect of immunity.

that means that immunization is impossible and the shots are at best pointless to take.

I think you've misunderstood what immunisation is. It is both the creation of the B cells and T cells to allow rapid response to a particular infection, as well as the generation of antibodies that will fight the infection.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I havent misunderstood anything. You have your head so high in the clouds you are missing a lot of very basic knowledge. Im guessing you are highly educated which is very different from learned.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Okaaay.

So can you break down "If for whatever reason memory cells are only retaining covid antibodies for a few short months that means that immunization is impossible and the shots are at best pointless to take."

I'm having trouble parsing "memory cells are only retaining covid antibodies for a few short months" in particular.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Of course you are.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I ask because it looks like, for all the world, that you've misunderstood what immunization is.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

LOL

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good explanation. I wonder why getting SARS-CoV-2 trumps the vaccine, and why early studies are showing that getting the vaccine after getting over the virus gives you the best immunity. I think it would be far better for people to get the antibody test than to rely on a vaccination card. Some people don't produce antibodies after getting the vaccine, but almost everyone will produce antibodies after catching the virus.