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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (71 children)

That's like saying: minority, underrepresented and marginalized people don't matter! (If a snowflake in the highly represented group has to claim that he/she matters.)

[–]hfxB0oyA 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (50 children)

It's really not.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (49 children)

There is an obvious context for this statement, which is a reaction to the Black Lives Matter movement and the sign they've used. It was not an issue or a comment before BLM. There have been, however, many "white people are superior" comments over the years. White Lives Matter is - for many - also another version of "white people are superior." Posts like this are the reason Saidit sometimes fails as a website. Though this is of course "free speech" it's obviously a message of division, hatred and bigotry, and doesn't help anyone. It also makes the "whites" who support this kind of statement look weak, racist, stupid, crazy, and infantile.

[–]hfxB0oyA 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Posts like this are the reason Saidit sometimes fails as a website.

Saidit fails as a website because sometimes people post things you don't like?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You do realize - I hope - that this has nothing to do with what I like or dislike. To assume so is juvenile. If you have anything to say or argue with regard to my argument, do so. Do you have for example anything to say in defence of this White Lives Matter image?

[–]hfxB0oyA 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

To assume so is juvenile.

Making assumptions about you is juvenile?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So... you've got nothing to contribute.

[–]hfxB0oyA 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

One can also say that I have everything to contribute.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Nope

[–]hfxB0oyA 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Yup

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

    words have actual meanings

    And specific contexts, depending on usage

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      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      WLM is an informal fallacy, or also a fallacy of presumption because white lives certainly do matter, but the origin of this phrase is a direct reaction to BLM, to try to minimize the latter.

      I am not the language police, especially on this website.

      An approved way of saying WLM is to say that Everyone would hopefully support BLM and other marginalized groups.

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        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        (Fallacies can contain facts)

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            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            (The meanings of words are associated with their contexts.)

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              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              This is not communism, it's oligarchy

              [–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

              White Lives Matter is said as a response to BLM.

              BLM is a way to marginalize whites. You calling whites that say their lives matter "weak, racist, stupid, crazy and infatile" is just you showing your jewish hatred of whites. It sucks, to be honest, but your people deserve to get 109'd for all the trouble and supremacy you're creating.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

              White Lives Matter is said as a response to BLM.

              Yes

              BLM is a way to marginalize whites.

              No

              You calling whites that say their lives matter "weak, racist, stupid, crazy and infatile"

              I have a right to an opinion and "free speech"

              is just you showing your jewish hatred of whites.

              Is it necessary to call someone you don't know Jewish? (Does this confirm that you are "weak, racist, stupid, crazy and infatile"?)

              It sucks, to be honest, but your people deserve to get 109'd for all the trouble and supremacy you're creating.

              Yep - seems like you're weak, racist, stupid, crazy and infatile.

              [–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

              Weak reply. I expected better.

              [–]RightousBob 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

              Socks is an amateur low level shill, cut them some slack. One can follow a flow chart only so fast.

              [–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              I like your usage of them. Implying they're several people working behind that sockpocket account.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

              That's the best you can do?

              [–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

              If you write a better reply, then I might decide to answer it

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              So that I can get the type of response a 12-year-old would offer? I already replied to you and in various other places in this thread. Have a look.

              [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

              I'm a different user

              [–]Akali 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

              BLM supporters are racist and want instauration of racist laws such as affirmative action. They blame everyone else for their own misery and pretend my anscestors are slaves owners while I'm irish. They want privilege and are willing to steal, loot and murder to reach their goal. They are the definition of a terrorist organisation and should be put in jail.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

              while I'm irish.

              I like drinking too.

              Racism can be funny. Just some people got a stick up their asses.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

              Simply not true.

              This kind of narrative can only come from a disinformation/propaganda broadcast or website. With the exception of a few criminals, BLM supporters are not like this. Get better information, look at video evidence and see for yourself that this is not true. (Also notice the whites who are creating problems at protests.)

              One can also say that White Lives Matter supporters:

              ...are racist and want installation of racist laws such as [retiring] affirmative action. They blame everyone else for their own misery and pretend my ancestors are slave owners, while I'm irish. They want privilege and are willing to steal, loot and murder to reach their goal. They are the definition of a terrorist organisation and should be put in jail.

              (BTW: My Irish/British ancestor had slaves. He said he'd not step foot on US soil if Lincoln was elected. The remaining years of his life he managed the farm while sitting at a window, directing farm hands, with a fire in the fireplace behind him year-round.)

              [–]Akali 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

              When a few criminals highjack the BLM movement and the BLM movement don't call them out, don't critize them and don't condemne their action publicly, they are accepting to be highjacked and end up supporting these actions.

              As for my ancestor, not every Irish folk owned slaves and there's still slavery today in africa, but let's not talk about history because it make the popular narative look bad. The british were the first to abolish slavery. My anscestors fled war and were low class, to have some random blowShmoe tell me I'm priviledge because of my skin is utter bullshit.

              [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              BLM movement didn't need to be highjacked. To begin with, it was an artificial Jewish-funded attack on Europeans globally. Any government worth its salt would have smashed the "movement" into the ground in its infancy.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

              Criminals (black and white) were called out by the BLM movement - plenty of video evidence for this

              Even if you're white trash, you've had more opportunities than blacks who are at a similar economic level to you. If you're middle class, or upper middle class, you've had more potential opportunities than blacks at those levels. That's 'priviledge' for Irish descendent honkies like us.

              [–]Akali 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              "you've had more opportunities than blacks who are at a similar economic level to you" Base on what evidence? The problem with that rethoric is that it is baseless. Anytime you run a regression on wage base on Geolocalisation, education, gender, ethnicity, personality treats such as asertiveness, age, hours work per weeks, social circle size, whether or not the parent are still together, IQ, presence of mental illness or not, presence of physical disease and any other factors. When you correct the linear regression for auto correlation, heteroskedasticity and functional form, you end up seeing that both Gender and Ethnicity are not significative with p-value above 0.2.

              You could argue success isn't just wage, but ethnicity has nothing to do with it and nor does gender.

              I cannot provide you with the data I use because I'd be breaching the confidenciality agreement of my workplace so I won't try to convince you of it, but I have yet to see any evidence of systemic racism.

              In fact, the only systemic racism there might be is affirmative action because it is base on skin color instead of poverty level.

              [–]hfxB0oyA 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

              It must be exhausting for socks to be fighting this war on two fronts against actual 'racialists' as well as folks who see ethnic minorities as fellow citizens rather than as favoured pets.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Yes, affirmative action is referred to "reverse racism" in the US and "positive racism" in the UK. It's being retired at universities, and perhaps elsewhere, and being replaced with 'diversity' programs, training, and hiring programs that include a broader range of underrepresented people. This is still "reverse racism", but it's supposed to offer people with less privilege an equal platform for competing with people with more privilege for jobs. The "wage base on geolocalisation, education, gender, ethnicity" should include typical wages for the majority of underrepresented people, or specifically for the lowest wage groups, such as blacks and whites who earn less than $25k/year, in contrast to their counterparts who earn more. My main point is that - though I am a victim of affirmative action, and don't like it - I also appreciate that, for the past 20 years, white people like me have been in positions of privilage and the diversification of people in jobs in our areas has improved the social presence and outlook of the places where we've worked. Metropolitan communities have thrived like this. I am concerned, however, that those who get the affirmative action jobs should still be required to meet the same goals of the others, or should be fired.

              [–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              One can also say

              One can say anything.

              [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

              I like the idea of white and men's rights. It makes sense, that's my interests. Just they always attract the shittiest people who make the whole thing unsavory.

              There is nothing wrong with the idea itself any more than any other ethnic organization.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

              There is nothing wrong with the idea itself any more than any other ethnic organization.

              Certainly - until one considers the context, significance, and shadow cost of a white men's rights, and white supremacist movement. This is actually a very old movement, dating back hundreds of years, though without calling itself a movement or protest.

              If we consider men, but not racism, it's worth noting that there has been a mythopoetic men's movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythopoetic_men%27s_movement

              [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

              Certainly - until one considers the context, significance, and shadow cost of a white men's rights, and white supremacist movement.

              And that's magically only a problem with white people? Nation of Islam anyone? Black Panters. Asians, just kinda in general. They are a very racist people.

              Speaking of that, is this a manufactured crisis in the news, violence against asians? Cause all they kinda got to do is take normal violence and hype it on the news and it seems endemic. I don't see any particular hate crimes personally. At all.

              mythopoetic men's movement

              Wow... Those dudes wanted a sausage fest. I bet they shipped in drums of KY Jelly by the truckload. It'd be interesting to see if Johnson & Johnson ever sponsored these activities. I don't see what closeted gay men have to do with this though. I mean, they were only popular in the 80s and 90s, back when it wasn't very okay to be gay.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              And that's magically only a problem with white people? Nation of Islam anyone? Black Panters. Asians, just kinda in general. They are a very racist people.

              Not just a problem with white people. The racism of various racist groups is at issue. BLM is not racist. WLM - because it's a reaction to negate BLM - is a racist approach to diminish BLM. It's not a - blacks are superior - statement, but merely that they matter.

              Speaking of that, is this a manufactured crisis in the news, violence against asians? Cause all they kinda got to do is take normal violence and hype it on the news and it seems endemic. I don't see any particular hate crimes personally. At all.

              A lot of us don't see it. But the videos are often posted here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/ These are from individuals, not new channels.

              Wow... Those dudes wanted a sausage fest. I bet they shipped in drums of KY Jelly by the truckload. It'd be interesting to see if Johnson & Johnson ever sponsored these activities. I don't see what closeted gay men have to do with this though. I mean, they were only popular in the 80s and 90s, back when it wasn't very okay to be gay.

              You're conflating Gay Pride movements with a very masculine straight male movement (you'll see if you read about it). Believe what you want, but that certainly was not the purpose of that movement. It was the opposite of feminism.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              BLM is racist af, they literally don't care about police violence against whites, which is not an insignificant problem. Fuck em.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              The most masculine things you can do, you do not do with other men.

              I don't have a problem with gays but if you think all those manly dudes got together and it wasn't a bear convention to some extent, I think you're underestimating the kind of person such a thing would naturally attract.

              And I'm not knocking it, I'd go to the next gay burning man myself. Probably be a ton of fun.

              [–]jet199 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

              Then the same would be true of BLM.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

              Because blacks have been in positions of privilege? (Think.)

              [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

              Neither whites nor blacks are in privileged positions in the US. If you want to look at the wealthiest group that dominates the highest strata of Western civilization it would have to be Jews, followed by Asians. Whites aren't even the upper class in our own ancestral homelands anymore.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

              Whites in the US have been raised since the '50s to 'follow their bliss' and do what the like most - in the "me, me, me era" - whereas Jewish and Asian traditions dating back hundreds of years have focused on their children on three or four factors: make lots of money, raise a family, get a nice house, and more recently a nice car and TV. So you have a point about whites losing their grip on privileged options.

              Compared with blacks, whites have been in privileged positions.

              [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

              The reality is that Jews and Asians both practice cooperative ethnocentric survival strategies which outcompete the egalitarian strategies Europeans have been programmed to employ. In models, egalitarian strategies were dominated by literally every other strategy -- while ethnocentrism dominated every other strategy. http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html

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              Stephen Pinker has discussed this with regard to the Ashkenazim, thereby helping to revive scientific racism (previously eugenics): https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/02/the-unwelcome-revival-of-race-science

              Historically, ethnocentric groups are also the most racist, and do not mix well with other groups, and thus do not help build societies.

              [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

              Jews' extreme ethnocentrism is the only reason they survived so many centuries wandering between nations when most other groups would have miscegenated out of existence. Mixing with other groups is bad for the long-term survival of your group.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              Not true for the Han Chinese and most people in India. Their relatively unmixed populations are over a billion each. Miscegenation is very good for populations, as has happened in the US for the past 200 years, and has been part of what made the US the wealthiest 20th century nation. All civilisations rise and fall. Jews will always be outsiders in many nations.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              What made the US the wealthiest nation was the complete collapse of all its competetors following WW2. In the modern age it grows ever more diverse and currently it is slowly sliding downward into insolvency. The success of a nation is tied directly to the quality of its human capital, and not all human populations are made equal.

              [–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              Yep, in many places around the world black people are in positions of privilege.

              The vice president of the USA identifies as black.

              She's much more privileged than you'll ever be.

              Don't be racist.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              I hope you know that this is an obvious fallacy. (Because one sees a handful of blacks in certain places of privilege, this is obviously not a sign that most blacks are in positions of privilege.)

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                [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                The origin of that misleading image is here, with good responses to the jerk who posted it on 2 September 2020:

                https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ilcck7/with_families_like_this_i_have_hope/

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                  And the earliest location of your image

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                    Yes, Reddit's rules are annoying, and something I like about Saidit is that we don't have to deal with those kinds of rules. (But rules are not inherently communist.) The image violated one of these rules:

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                      Did you want to comment on a 7-month-old post? Thank the good Lord we can do that here at Saidit. ;-)