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[–]magnora7 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (31 children)

*affect.

"Effect" is a noun. Affect is a verb.

You affect things, and those changes have effects.

[–]Questionable 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

These two words are the bane of my existence. The effect had an affect, but it can't it be affective*... No it's effective! And if Effect is a result or consequence, can't it simply replace affect in most instances?!

"Unfortunately, as it seems is always the case, there are exceptions. There is, alas, also a noun form of "affect" and a verb form of "effect."

I will kill you all.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah those words suck, honestly.

You affect things, and those changes have effects.

But you can also "effect change" and you can collect your "affects". But those are much less commonly used and only used in certain contexts. I only hear effect used as a verb when followed by the word "change", usually during a speech. And I only hear "affects" used to mean "personal items" as a noun when in a business context, or from an estate. And the emphasis is on the first syllable on both these rare versions, but on the last syllable in the more common versions.

So one could make a statement to have all 4, like this:

"You've affected too many things and created a lot of effects. So I'm going to effect some change around here and fire you. Please collect your personal affects from the office on your way out."

English is a bitch. I'm so glad I don't have to learn it as a second language or I'd be screwed.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm so glad I don't have to learn it as a second language or I'd be screwed.

Well, i think you might need to do some remedial study. lol

[–]madcow-5 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Seriously, I hate it when they ruin a perfectly good comic with that.

Also, channeling my inner coastal liberal elite for a moment, I have noticed the grammar's so much worse when it comes to the right. Not that the right isn't in the right on like 90% of issues now IMO.

[–]magnora7 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, but a lot of it is left-leaning people roleplaying as very dumb right-leaning people, in order to make the right-leaning people look foolish. I've seen that tactic come in to play increasingly often these last few months. Not saying that it's happening in this post, but it does happen

[–]TheEvilNick 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Either way it's just funny. Why is anyone caring when shit like this is peddled anyway

https://www.thecollegefix.com/professor-says-grading-good-grammar-are-examples-of-white-supremacy/

So everyone correcting grammar is racist

[–]supersmokio6420 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The comic uses it correctly. Its talking about the effect of the changes. The changes affect things, causing an effect.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, effect is a noun here and therfore correct: "It has no effect on your life". You would use affect if it was "It doesn't affect your life".

You do a verb, you cannot "have" a verb

[–]Three_oneFour 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oof, proving the grammar nazis wrong, this a whole new level of how fucked up the English language is

[–]madcow-5 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It’s not.

[–]copenseethe 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I see this as well and it is embarrassing for the right. But, it's also an indication that the working class leans right.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

"Education" is all about brainwashing and propaganda these days. Missing out on the finer points of English grammar means you also probably still think there are only two sexes.

[–]madcow-5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Key words:”these days”. I’m a boomer according to the idiots in college now.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A pseudo-boomer, eh? I'm pretty much as boomer as you can get, and it was great! Of course, most of us didn't realize the building was on fucking fire, or didn't think the whole place would burn down.

Now it's starting to look like that nightclub in the northeast from a while back, and there's no way out of here either.

[–]TheEvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and "their" (I KNOW) boomers to the kids in high school

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But humans do have only 2 sexes...

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Unless you've received a new-think education. 36,000 genders. Miscegenation. Trannies. Evil Whiteness. And all the rest.

Comes included with whatever passes for real teaching.

[–]grocerymannn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

not exactly. you can effect change.

[–]Three_oneFour 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I just use impact because fuck that shit, I'll always get the two mixed up

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

yes, but no, valid in this case use.

His choices affect her life, causing an "effect on <her> life"

or, from grammerly:

So, if A affects B, B experiences the effect of A’s action.

specific example:

Tina’s big win had an effect on her confidence level overall.

The key was the words "on your", as that means that effect is being used as a noun, not a verb. If he'd said as a verb, ie: "it doesn't affect your life" then sure, effect is the wrong word.

Remember, on the 'net, as in real life, there is always someone more of a (grammar) nazi than you.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

"effect on <her> life"

Yes that's the noun case, as I pointed out. "It had an effect on her life". "Had" is the verb, "an effect" is a noun

The title is clearly using it as a verb, so it should be spelled "affect".

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

the example cases I gave clearly show that the usage as given is considered correct. 5 different grammar websites have near identical examples. Go check. Mirriam Webster. Grammarly, dictionary.com, lexico.com, paperrater.com

<X> "had no effect on" <subject> is correct use. 100%.

<X> "does not affect" <subject> is correct use. 100%

the "on" changes everything

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Interesting, I guess the "had no effect on" is a verb phrase which contains a noun, or something like that? The verb is "had" and the object is "effect"

I've never been very good at defining types of grammar, there's always weird exceptions like this

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Grammar is awesome. It makes english a great tool for establishing social caste, and the truly posh get taught a whole level more intricate language use than the rest of us :D

I think you are right. the "had no <X> on" is the verby bit, and the <X> is flavour text. I generally throw in the words 'impress/impression' instead of 'affect/effect' to see which one to use.

[–]supersmokio6420 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The comic is right to use 'effect'.

It [the changes] has no effect [a noun], because the changes do not affect your life.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then the title should be "It has no effects."

The way it's phrased clearly has it as a verb

[–]SilenceThem_Consume 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You affect things, and those changes have effects.

And hes not talking about himself, so nice try s/IamSoSmart

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You need to work on your reading comprehension and stop going around attacking other users

[–]butterballtofurkey 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm unsure where you learned this English rule. The title is incorrect but not the comic. "Has" is the verb in the comic. "Effect" is used as in cause & effect. The only time in English "no" is used in front of a verb is when the verb is a gerund, ie "There is no running in the halls" when the verb functions a noun. Otherwise, "not" is used in front of verb. ie "This is not affecting you"

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    [–]jet199 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    This has nothing to do with the demonisation of masculinity. Plenty of these guys are ultra macho before they transition, one of the main careers they have is the military. Rather they love extreme gender roles.

    It's a fetish gone too far, nothing to do with anything women have done. There were guys doing this shit in Victorian times. And they have been trying to attach themselves to any progressive movement they could to gain power since then as well. Feminists actually kicked them out in the 80s which is why they set their sights on the LGB movement which kindly allowed them to take over their orgs completely.

    [–]butterballtofurkey 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    do you have proof the teenage girls affected by this are feminists? it seems like u are just randomly blaming girls for the beliefs of others

    [–]Trajan 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

    Feminism has historically pushed both the oppression narrative and social constructionism of gender - key components of the ideology that birthed the transgender movement. That feminism has since seen a schism, defined broadly as intersectionality versus radical feminism, doesn't erase the history. The current radical feminists were happy cheering on this nonsense until they got kicked out of the clubhouse they helped build, and now most are in complete denial, working feverishly to somehow pin this on 'patriarchy'. These left-wing identity groups are aspects of a base ideology.

    That is how feminism brought this on itself. The unfortunate outcome is that normal women and girls are once again suffering for the delusions and deprivations of feminism.

    [–]butterballtofurkey 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    i didn't need your little version of a history rant. he's upset at feminism and implying girls --- who he doesnt even know are feminists are not -- somehow deserve what is happening to them. Direct the anger at who you're angry at. IDGAF why you or him are angry.

    [–]Trajan 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    Odd that we're the angry ones, yet you're the one swearing. Have a think about that.

    [–]butterballtofurkey 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    i asked him a question based on logic. my point wasn't about feminism nor am i a feminist. my post was not angry; you just missed my point. if feminists who encouraged this become victims of it then fine throw it in their faces.

    [–]Trajan 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Thanks for explaining that.

    if feminists who encouraged this become victims of it then fine throw it in their faces.

    No argument there. I'l happily buy a matinee ticket when it's their turn on the scaffold.

    [–]Tiwaking 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    butterballtofurkey 3 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago* i asked him a question based on logic. my point wasn't about feminism nor am i a feminist. my post was not angry; you just missed my point. if feminists who encouraged this become victims of it then fine throw it in their faces.

    The original comment was deleted and I wonder what all the fuss was about. This is why you should copy peoples entire messages so that there is a record for future wanderers of this place.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    this trans shit is the main thing that makes people hate dems and vote repub. If not for this issue the dem's policies are universally praised. But trans shit is so disgusting, it by itself turns a lot of people off from dems and they vote against their best interest for the corrupt repubs that only help the rich. I think it must be by design to keep support for both parties around 50/50.

    [–]TheEvilNick 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    [–]Obbop 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Issues affecting a country swirling down the drain towards destruction and barbarian takeover.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

    Love the Woka-Kola and Twatter

    (Do I mention that this is not the main intersex argument for sports competition? I think they shouldn't be allowed to complete, but this is not their main argument for trying to compete as women. Their main argument is that they work very hard in their disciplines and shouldn't be excluded because of their 'differently abled' condition. OK, then, offer an intersex race where they can compete with similar intersex athletes. But I suspect no one would agree on that.)

    [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

    If biological differences don't matter we don't need girl specific sports any more.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    I agree that they matter very much.

    A third gender (ie. India recognizes a 3rd gender) should perhaps participate in sports only against other 3rd gender athletes, as they would naturally beat female competitors (as has happened), and might not be competitive against male competitors.

    [–]jet199 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

    Hijras in India are nothing to do with western trans culture.

    https://www.indiatimes.com/news/lgbtq-the-truth-about-how-hijras-are-made-in-india-because-they-re-not-always-born-that-way-257525.html

    Most Asian third genders are just a way for homophobes to castrate effeminate men. Why would you want to export that homophobia to the West?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Don't base your arguments on one article from a BJP newspaper. That's like referencing OANN, or Fox, or WSJ, etc.

    I am not referring to the importation of anything.

    If you want to know about Hijras, have a closer look at the available information.

    [–]jet199 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    I'm not basing my arguement on one article but on my having studied anthropology.

    The article was for your benefit because you are clearly ignorant and have a bad case of noble savage BS which you've caught off of the regressive left.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    What the fuck? A bad case of noble savage BS? I learn from Saidit so much about myself, that I'm a noble savage Chinese 'faggot' bot pinko liberal fascist commie. Why would you or anyone have to think about what I am?

    A much better source for you than the application of anthropology or India Times, re Hijras:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)

    [–]C3P0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    As an obese couch potato (this is my sexual identity, not male nor female), I am not competitive in any of those three categories. We need one gender for each individual, so 8 billion genders should suffice.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You would qualify as a 4th gender - hermaphrodite - but we're not supposed to call you that. Instead, you would be 'intersex', but this also includes people of the 3rd gender, and could confuse the sex assessment process. When in due course there is a sport for couch potatoes, you may have to petition for your inclusion as a 4th gender. Because - if the sport would include, making yourself pregnant, you would have an obvious advantage over genders 1, 2, and 3.

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      [–]Node 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Last week I worked by my laptop in Rome, Monti Carlo and finally Paris…

      Sorry to hear that. I have sympathy for people who feel like they have to humiliate themselves in airports since the TSA was invented.

      You don't have to put up with that! Have you looked around for work in your area?