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[–]VirgilGriff 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

The CDC doesn't say it's 6% of 200k deaths. On the contrary, they say that from late Jan. to early Oct. 2020, the US had 299,000 more deaths than the typical number during the same period in previous years. You think those people are just faking it? https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm

The PCR tests literally prove that someone has SARS-CoV-2 in their body, which is considered an infection. It doesn't necessarily indicate the seriousness of the COVID-19 disease that develops.

If you don't wear a mask you are being selfish, unless you can prove you don't have COVID-19 and don't care about getting it, and will fully isolate once you have it.

You're retarded.

[–]fred_red_beans 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

94% die with comorbidity. Does that make Covid-19 the primary cause of death?

The CDC issued guidelines on 3/24/20 stating that:

COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death

PCR tests detect fragments of RNA that is assumed to indicate the presence of covid-19 and are amped up to a degree that they can find RNA from a virus that's long past gone. Meanwhile, Canada’s National Research Council has no record of “COVID-19 virus” (SARS-COV-2) isolation by anyone, anywhere on the planet.

There is no statistically significant evidence showing masks do anything to reduce the spread of a virus when worn by the general public.

See discussion here: https://saidit.net/s/conspiracy/comments/5gtw/why_face_masks_dont_work_according_to_science_ben/

You're being lied to.

[–]nautilistic 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Imagine people still denying CODIV-19 being a serious pandemic because they made a virus a political issue.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's about 3x as bad as a bad flu season, if we look at excess deaths. It's not the black plague however, so it's sensible to have a response that is in proportion to the threat.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do think they just made up numbers. It's easy for them to do, they don't have to name actual people because they have privacy of their medical information. So there's no way to check the numbers.

[–]zyxzevn[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The 6% depends on what tests are being used, and the genetic group.
But a lot of people do not show any symptoms.

It is easier to treat than flu, with the right medicine.
But the medicine is too cheap. Ivermectin, HCQ+Z, Budesonide, Vit-D, mouthwash, etc.
So it is censored or forbidden.
You probably did not even know..

Instead we have to roll up our sleeves for an experimental jab that has 100% side-effects.
Usually a very strong fever.

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[–]VirgilGriff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It is easier to treat than flu, with the right medicine.

It's more deadly than the flu across every category with even with the ability for about 15% of symptomatic patients to be admitted to the hospital (an impossibility if things are overrun). For 70+ it's many orders of magnitude more deadly still, up to some 5%, with hospitalization.

Ivermectin

Wrong as of November https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0242184

HCQ+Z

Wrong as of October https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.19.20214940v1 (and numerous prior clinical trials showing no significant reduction in mortality or serious illness)

Budesonide

Inhaled corticosteroids are a current treatment but not especially effective: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30314-3/fulltext

Vit-D

You should take it as vitamin D deficiencies are associated with worse clinical outcomes. Same with zinc and C.

mouthwash

lol no

And you left out the actually useful treatments, all of which are still experimental and very expensive: antibody treatment/convalescent plasma, Remdesivir (to a small degree), dexamethasone (taken early, meaning frequent testing), and maybe famotidine and melatonie--too early to tell.

So it is censored or forbidden.

No, see the numerous publicly available studies on it on medRxiv

Instead we have to roll up our sleeves for an experimental jab that has 100% side-effects.

I'm not saying to take the vaccine right away. I wouldn't. But you're retarded.

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    [–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Gosh Virg, you happen to work in the pharmaceutical industry?

    I happen to be able to link to preprints that support my argument. Funny, I don't see any links in your comments.

    The fact that you ended your mundane appeal by labeling someone "retarded" wasn't nice or civil.

    You figured out that I wasn't trying to be nice or civil by calling someone retarded. Good job

    Why come here and cop such a shitty pompous demeanor?

    Is this your first Internet argument?

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      [–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I'm going to stop replying now.

      You were arguing with me until you had no counter-arguments

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      6% is not representative of the test results. The tests are similar and quite simple. Nothing complicated or misleading about the tests. One problem with the tests is there are occasions when people with COVID aren'nt tested properly, and thus show negative when they should show positive for COVID on the test. But this is not a significant number of missed COVID cases, because the test is easy so manage.

      It is not 'easier' than the flu for those who've nearly died, and for those who've died. Fuck that argument.

      No, that's not a proper list of the 'medicine'.

      So people in numerous countries are acting together to censor and forbid this information about the medicine from leaking? Impossible. Look at the big picture.

      And where do you get your information? 'We' know quite a bit about COVID19 now, and can merely Google the information. It's not part of a secret comspiracy.

      Are the vaccines mandatory? Will they be? How would you know this?

      Read about the symptoms, whcih differ somewhat with different people.

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      so I'm an expert in this field. The field of neurobiology.

      Covid-19 is the result of a CNS infection. the symptoms are the result of medullary / brainstem demyelination. All the risk factors are related to prior demyelination and or failure to remyelinate.

      Treatment is as all CNS demyelinating diseases, to help the glial cells repair the myelin sheath. Omega-3 (the main lipid in myelin), zinc, vitamin D. and other healthy things. Vitamin C is not so important as there is no immune system involvement, (the brain being a special immune system free area) although it may help prevent secondary infections in the lungs when their activity is compromised due to nerve damage.

      [–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      add in omega-3 for myelin sheath repair, since this coronavirus is like many other coronaviruses, and attacks the brain, not the lungs. The breathing issues are brainstem related.

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      The PCR tests literally prove that someone has SARS-CoV-2 in their body,

      the pcr test is not valid. You run it for as many repetitions (doublings) as you need to get a positive result. If you ran it with a sample of a banana, you'd still be able to get a positive result out of it due to exponentially compounding transcription errors

      The test is also done on swabs, not on internal tissues. "in your body" is a wild statement.

      If you don't wear a mask you are being selfish

      you have a very small brain, and a distinct lack of critical analysis ability. I guess you are 90-115 in IQ. good luck with your little world, full of scary

      [–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      the pcr test is not valid. You run it for as many repetitions (doublings) as you need to get a positive result.

      You'll never cross the cycle threshold if the DNA you're looking for doesn't exist in the first place, so no. They also have a set cycle limit which is applied across all SARS-CoV-2 tests so that you're looking at actual signal and not noise.

      If you ran it with a sample of a banana, you'd still be able to get a positive result out of it due to exponentially compounding transcription errors

      That's like saying if you put a microphone in a room and turned the gain up to 10,000%, you'd be able to hear the voice of a ghost. You're looking at noise, and it's why PCR tests have a cycle threshold value.

      The test is also done on swabs, not on internal tissues.

      So?

      "in your body" is a wild statement.

      I guess it is if you don't consider it important to detect SARS-CoV-2 where it infects you. You have to be pretty retarded to think that you shouldn't look for it where it is.

      you have a very small brain, and a distinct lack of critical analysis ability. I guess you are 90-115 in IQ. good luck with your little world, full of scary

      You seem to have a very emotional reaction to the concept of blocking the shit that comes out of our mouth.

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      You'll never cross the cycle threshold if the DNA you're looking for doesn't exist in the first place, so no. T

      incorrect. PCR is not a 100% accurate replication, and each repeat compounds errors.

      That's like saying if you put a microphone in a room and turned the gain up to 10,000%, you'd be able to hear the voice of a ghost.

      No, it is like saying if i recorded a room, then played back that recording and recorded it, then after a certain number of repeats, the fourier transform of the resultant recording will contain a set of frequencies that triggers a positive.

      You have to be pretty retarded

      to think that a swab of the nasal cavity is able to differentiate between infectious agents that have been recently inhaled and infectious agents that have migrated there from the blood

      You seem to have a very emotional reaction to the concept of blocking the shit that comes out of our mouth.

      Why is it always the hollow drums that make so much noise?

      [–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      No, it is like saying if i recorded a room, then played back that recording and recorded it, then after a certain number of repeats, the fourier transform of the resultant recording will contain a set of frequencies that triggers a positive.

      AKA you amplified the noise until you thought it was signal. Again why Ct is necessary and used, and has been for PCR tests forever.

      to think that a swab of the nasal cavity is able to differentiate between infectious agents that have been recently inhaled and infectious agents that have migrated there from the blood

      If SARS-CoV-2 is in your nasal cavity above a certain prevalence to cross the threshold when you get a PCR test, then you have an active COVID-19 infection.

      Why is it always the hollow drums that make so much noise?

      Why are you so triggered by the concept of stopping snot droplets from flying out of your mouth so as to protect others?

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      AKA you amplified the noise until you thought it was signal

      no. stop. you don't understand.

      a mic turned right up is straight amplification.

      PCR is iterative amplification.

      The two are very different, and have very different results. AS THE GUY WHO INVENTED THE TEST SAID

      If SARS-CoV-2 is in your nasal cavity above a certain prevalence to cross the threshold when you get a PCR test, then you have an active COVID-19 infection.

      not true, either. Fuck, you are bad at this. How do you get to be s confident, and so utterly wrong? Do you even have any science qualifications? You have active EXPOSURE. you only get an infection once it crosses into your brain (the olfactory bulb or the eyes being the usual way in)

      Why are you so triggered

      Why do you talk utter shit?

      [–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      PCR is iterative amplification.

      I never said it wasn't. In fact, I said it is, and that's why there's a cycle threshold.

      once it crosses into your brain (the olfactory bulb or the eyes being the usual way in)

      You are a fucking retard. You think you don't have a COVID-19 infection unless it's in your brain? SARS-CoV-2 primarily binds to any cell with ACE2 receptors, which is why it's primarily a respiratory infection.

      You didn't answer the question as to why you're so emotionally sensitive to the concept that you should put your diarrhea-spewing face-hole behind a mask. Preferably one you can't breathe through, for maximum safety.

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I never said it wasn't. In fact, I said it is, and that's why there's a cycle threshold.

      you used a bunch of shit examples that demonstrated a lack of understanding.

      As i guessed, you don't have any real knowledge in this subject and you are just parroting factoids from the 'net/

      you win today's DK award

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        [–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration

        [–]wecandobetter 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

        Adamtots would hate this being here. Nice work.

        [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        Whodat?

        [–]wecandobetter 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

        He's the cartoonist who drew this originally, and a flaming liberal. His stuff is funny, no doubt, but also he would hate this place and everything it stands for.

        [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Thanks!

        [–]zyxzevn[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        [–]GConly 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        That CDC fact is incorrect. That 6% that didn't have an underlying condition includes people who would have lived years more,band who didn't die from the underlying condition.

        Best guess for the UK, can't say for America, is mortality is around 1/750 ish now, but was around 1/360 in spring.

        My teenage daughter had it, it was way worse than flu.

        [–]whistlepig 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        it was way worse than flu.

        Not for most people... and it really depends on the individual case of flu you're comparing it to.

        [–]zyxzevn[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        The 6% depends on what tests are being used, and the genetic group.
        But a lot of people do not show any symptoms.

        It is easier to treat than flu, with the right medicine.
        But the medicine is too cheap. Ivermectin, HCQ+Z, Budesonide, Vit-D, mouthwash, etc.
        So it is censored or forbidden.
        You probably did not even know..

        Instead we have to roll up our sleeves for an experimental jab that has 100% side-effects.
        Usually a very strong fever.

        [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        A+++ Saved and shared.