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[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with you 100%. I feel all drugs should be legalized. Alcohol is one of the worst drugs for your body long term and it’s legal, so are cigs.

We saw what happened when cannabis and other “harder” drugs were legalized across the globe; teen AND adult use dropped. By legalizing a drug, you get quality control, eliminate the black market, eliminate violence and bloodshed, and have 247 rehab centers that will take you in at any time. You also remove the seductive taboo that lures young people in.

Because the truth is, most drug addicts are self medicating pain and do want help. It may take them time to get there, but they want normalcy too. I’m not gonna try crack cuz it’s legal (just like I don’t drink alcohol, period) lol, I know what that shit does to your brain I’ve seen the fMRIs. I don’t think anyone is gonna randomly try heroin either. This is so those who do fall into those cracks of self medication don’t die, suffer and have help available.

Some of you have no idea how cruel life can actually be. For most people their first major experience of loss is their parents dying. Most drug addicts have been through the ringer, before drugs were even involved in their lives.

Edit: and imho, its disgusting we treat drug addicts as criminals, or judge them harshly or think they are “weaker than us”. Some of these people have literally been to hell, like my best friend who’s father was a big coke dealer and was killed when he was under 10, then his cousin took over the family business and his cousin also started molesting him, turning him gay. He hid this even from me, as I had chilled with his cousin many times. I was the only one of his friends his cousin liked for some reason, and his cousin was insanely violent.

He couldn’t admit he was gay to us or anyone around him; he lived in a gangster family and a lot of his “friends” were “gangsters”. When he had his first pain killer, his first drug after 20 years on earth, he told me he literally decided he’d rather “be a heroin addict than a faggot” (and it was around this time in his life I and another friend were starting to catch on). Do you still not see? They find the drug that numbs their pain so of course they latch onto it. My friend could not process or accept his reality (despite being so smart, earning scholarships and being the first one in his family to go to college and being one of the kindest people I knew); it wasn’t what he wanted for himself and was too painful to accept. And then they go through hell again, like my friend did, to become sober which took a long time, luck and many tries, but it ultimately happened when he came out to his family as gay and started openly dating guys, when his cousin also coincidently ended up in prison.

I truly believe he was scared to death of his cousin this whole time as well, as he was a violent monster and had done MS-13 level things.. I wish I was kidding. My friend was self-medicating. There was too much pain, he couldn’t accept his reality but he had to in the end. And that required a lot of help, to make him see.

And a lot of strength for him to accept.

[–]Satircato 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

For profit prisons don't want you to know about this

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Rehab is just voluntary for profit imprisonment. People here acting like rehab is some kind of sure fire cure but nearly all people who go to rehab relapse. Some of them are little more than room and board with AA meetings, why pay $30k for that? Maybe they're not all scams but it's a very scammy industry.

[–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

rehab has nothing to do with it.... filling beds is what it is about

[–]Rah 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

They legalized it because they want the people addled, drugged, dependant on politicians and lacking every single human right to become better. The only freedom they will have left is how fast they will kill themselves.

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    [–]Rah 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

    Give me one example of one single instance where freeing a society to use a specific drug to their heart's content made it better.

    [–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Portugal has reduced all usage/overdosing and helped heal many people on these more potent drugs due to a change in legal status of all illicit drugs

    Ummm...... you really want to pretend like you read his comment?

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      [–]Rah 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      I cannot read arguments made out of thin air without backing. You saying it improved the Portuguese society because less people got overdoses does not translate into less people getting drugs directly.

      [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Drug use dropped in half in Portugal after they legalized everything.

      So they're doing the opposite of what you think and reducing overall drug use by allowing addicts to seek help without being arrested... so clearly that's not their goal

      [–]Rah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I only read that overdosing was reduced by half. And drug use is reported by the criminals that are no longer being arrested. Not counting something doesnt magically make it disappear. 21 people were arrested due to drug possession in the entire country prior to legalization. 21. Out of 10 million.

      They formalized criminality. And stopped counting the criminals. And say this is a "success".

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

      Sending people to rehab because it makes more money than prisons - mind explodes.

      [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Even if that's true (which it probably is), I still support it because addicts should not be in prison for victimless crimes

      [–]Rah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Addicts give financial incentive for crimes that start by being funded by people like them.

      [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      As if that's not already happening?

      [–]madcow-5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It's true in some states. Florida has a real issue with for-profit facilities that get funded by the government. It's so out of hand, there are people paid to round up addicts and drop them off at the facility. Facility has no incentive to treat, because once they're released, they can get rounded up again, and the government will pay them again.

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        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        That's good to know it'll cut down on court ordered rehab too.

        almost guaranteed help with addiction and recovery.

        The linchpin of the whole thing is that it takes a very willing person to benefit from recovery. It's not like a broken bone where someone else can fix you.

        Over on one of the reddit recovery subs people like to write what I think of as "wish posts." Long diatribes about how they wish they weren't addicts, with the intention to quit. To go to rehab like it's a holy grail.

        I ignore them because they're pointless. If you're still at the point where you think someone else is going to fix this for you it's not going to take.

        Ironically Fox News just started a program on how wonderful what Oregon is doing is. Fox! I'm not against it myself, but I am suspicious.

        [–]Spaceplone 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        drug use is a personal problem, not a public problem

        drug abuse is a public health and welfare problem, not a criminal problem.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Yes! Decriminalization is such a great step forward!

        Hopefully this goes smoothly for oregon. If we can get some proper data points on the benefits of decriminalization from within the US, we might start to see a real paradigm shift on the subject a few years down the line.

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        [–]asterias 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        Hard fact: People always find ways to get addicted even if they know the health consequencies, so it's not like some time in jail will make them stop.

        [–]Rah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        How many people that are disencouraged to use drugs due to possivle jail time would now be freed to do so? You cant answer this question. Hence there is always a cohort of people who are afraid of the consequences.