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    [–]SNCA_Furweeb 5 insightful - 8 fun5 insightful - 7 fun6 insightful - 8 fun -  (17 children)

    Yeah, they destroyed their own economy to the point everyone is a trillionaire.

    [–]Anatolia 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

    yeah it had nothing to do with them being a british colony until the late 1900s

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      [–]ethiopia 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

      Yeah because when you leave a colony you leave it totally ready to accept new leadership. You don't put in fake leaders to help extract resources without official colonization. See whitey only wanted to HELP but dumb negros can't take care of themselves. Whitey didn't want resources for himself, they built everything up and just gave it to them without any ursury and strangulation from world bank or IMF. No sir! Whitey always good boy

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        [–]ethiopia 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        Mfw colonizes country and economically and militarily takes it over and subjugated population happily accepts it. Do some actual research instead of repeating what you heard on 4chan. Research shell in Nigeria, for example. Europeans should stay in Europe and Africans can stay in Africa lmao. I'm not against ethnostates, but making the argument that whites(Jews) were "giving" by establishing financial networks to extract resources is absurd lmao. Europeans went in there to make money, not be humanitarians. Get a unique opinion, not don't just rationalize things to create your world view. The idea that Jews were doing a "good thing" by colonizing is a 80IQ take. Stop embarrassing white people who have an actual intellectual take on separatism

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          [–]ethiopia 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          I'm not saying all things Europeans have done is bad. Thinking the Egyptians were European.. idk man gonna need some evidence to back you up

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            [–]jelliknight 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Good Guy Whitey - Bringing stability through violence while taking away all those pesky natural resources.

            [–]Dragonerne 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            They were doing fine after the "liberation", right?

            [–]teelo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            I heard they don't count their money, they weigh it.

            Or was that Venezuela?

            [–]ALIEN_WHORE 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            BLACK LIVES MATTERS.

            [–]bald-janitor 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            NOO

            [–]Anatolia 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

            imagine not knowing that since the inception of haiti they have been burdened with massive ass jew ursury debts since the beginning of it as a nation, without an ability to gain capital or money bc of these debts they couldn't do shit forever. now the argument is "wow dumb niggers" without understanding the history

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              [–]ethiopia 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

              Yeah there aren't any other factors like being stolen as slaves losing their homeland, culture, language, and being forcefully bred and separated. Couldn't be any of that

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                [–]ethiopia 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                We're talking about Haiti. Not South Africa. Different circumstances, lots of nuance. I've lived in many places around the world and this "desire to live in western world" is not a common viewpoint

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                  [–]ethiopia 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                  200 years of not being slaves isn't enough time

                  they were debt slaves for a long time, you just need to catch up on your history

                  We also have to consider the colonial histories of these two countries. As you may know, Haiti earned its independence through a slave revolt. It was only the second country in the Americas to earn its independence (after the US). As such, many European powers, including France, Spain, and Britain, feared the precedent. These nations didn't want Haiti to become a successful and wealthy country full of former slaves, as that would have sent a message to slaves in other colonies that a revolution for independence would increase their quality of life. Thus, there was a European boycott of Haitian goods, and this lack of trade began Haiti's transition from a relatively wealthy country (by the standards of the Americas) to a poor one. To make matters worse for the Haitians, France agreed to recognize Haiti's sovereignty only after they pay a debt of 150 million francs in compensation for French​ losses during the revolution. This debt was paid over eight decades and was only fully paid off in 1922. Due to the interest on the 150 million, the Haitian government ended up paying much, much more to their former colonial owners, which did not help the financial situation. These were problems that the DR, which became independent much later, did not have to face.

                  One of the ways the Haitian government paid back their debt to France was in the form of massive timber exports leading to massive deforestation.

                  Deforestation in Haiti has been an ongoing crisis since the mid-18th century when coffee, tobacco, and sugarcane plantations were established. It has led to environmental, humanitarian, and economic crises for the nation. Reforestation has been an ongoing and difficult project. I believe only ~2% of Haiti is forested, compared to ~40% for the Dominican Republic.

                  It wasn't so much they felt the need to pay it off as they were compelled to. France tied the debt issue to recognition of sovereignty. If Haiti doesn't agree to pay off the debt then France will not recognize Haiti as a country which in theory could mean France could later reconquer Haiti. This wasn't an implicit threat either. France had a number of warships off the coast when the deal was negotiated. It's interesting how this issue of the debt affects relations between the two countries today, though that's for a different subreddit.

                  Sources:

                  Haiti, France and the Debt of 1825 by Anthony Phillips

                  Race, Reality, and Realpolitik by Jeffrey Sommers

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                    [–]ethiopia 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                    imagine thinking they aren't purposefully held back so that we have access to all their resources.

                    imagine not knowing that Gaddafi was going to establish a gold based currency for all africa and then was assassinated (after being framed multiple times for terrorism)

                    [–]TiredJustTired[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                    Imposing usury upon a nation, as has been done to Haiti and the rest of the world, is economically-punishing (for the people, and for the state which cannot operate due to having to pay off these loans from international hyenas). We should be more supportive and understanding of blacks' (Haitians and Africans) emancipation from such an economic system of enslavement.

                    [–]pablopicante 21 insightful - 7 fun21 insightful - 6 fun22 insightful - 7 fun -  (23 children)

                    imagine having a continent all to yourself with access to vast untold riches: gold, diamonds, the best farmland on the planet, iron mines, easy access to the orient and europe, clean water, plentiful jungle (wood, wildlife), a perfect set up to operate as a trading hub for the developing world, i could just go on and on, and these people haven't figured out how to grow vegetables yet.

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                      [–]SNCA_Furweeb 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                      Lol. This "colonization" is similar to what they are doing in America.

                      [–]jet199 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                      But we're told it's much better than colonialism because the Chinese don't look down on African leaders like the Europeans do. The Chinese don't tell them they have to end slavery, FGM or tell them they can't bribe officials or steal all their countries' money.

                      [–]noice 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                      Except I feel it is much worse, since Africa is lacking in a ton of infrastructure and China has the opportunity to lend them money and sell them infrustructure that China controls

                      [–]SNCA_Furweeb 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                      Then they will just loot and riot when they don't get their way.

                      [–]Lostcarkeys 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      Then China can kill them in job-lots to protect their investments.

                      [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

                      being a farmer isn't so easy, can't over farm the soil, any farmer has to have high IQ and not be lazy. Aka not african.

                      [–]galaxybrain 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                      They started with an OP buff to everything, and then proceeded to shit the bed

                      [–]Anatolia 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                      imagine having a continent all to yourself with access to vast untold riches: gold, diamonds, the best farmland on the planet, iron mines, easy access to the orient and europe, clean water, plentiful jungle (wood, wildlife), a perfect set up to operate as a trading hub for the developing world, i could just go on and on, and these people haven't figured out how to grow vegetables yet.

                      imagine not knowing that literally all the gold, farms, mines, are controlled by transnational corporations. read about shell in nigeria, read about who owns the mines in central africa, come on now.

                      [–]Lostcarkeys 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                      The entire reason foreign powers control all that wealth is because the locals never developed it on their own. White traders got to Africa and found tribesmen living in mudhuts using pointy sticks for weapons and eating whatever grew on the ground or they could get with the sticks. There were no domestic animals, no roads, no cultivation of ground, no water distribution, no privies, no tended herds, no harvesting of forest woods, no wheel, no buildings or permanent structures. All the development that made gold and diamond mines, oil and timber, growing of crops and herds of domestic food animals possible is entirely due to whites spending a few hundred years fixing the place up.

                      [–]ethiopia 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      Ahhh the benevolent whitey argument.

                      Imagine not knowing that copper, iron working, textiles had existed in 'Africa' (a huge place with lots of diversity, complex and not complex cultures)

                      Imagine not knowing about the Mali, Songhai, or Ghanan empires.

                      Imagine not knowing that cattle, sheep, goats, agriculture existed since 2500bce in Africa. (Research the Dhar Tichitt site)

                      Imagine not knowing the most "primitive" of African empires/kingdom the Kingdom of Kongo had textiles, copper mining, for example, King Alphonso of the Kongo sent a bunch of copper bracelets to try to secure an alliance with the Portuguese. Additionally, in 1536 the king of Kongo didn't allow Portuguese and Dutch traders to travel to their copper mines, afraid they would take them.

                      Even if you take the most primitive of African nation's (Kingdom of Kongo) you find your assertion of: no agriculture, no domesticated animals, no mining, is false and lacks research.

                      You need to research and study more, your IQ is showing.

                      [–]TiredJustTired[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                      Those natural resources and their availability/accessibility could be the reason why they never developed technologies to utilize them, though, and there also weren't environmental stressors to adapt to such as in harsher places like Europe, Asia, North America, etc. Maybe the reason why they never learned agriculture is because they never had a need for it? I don't know, honestly.

                      [–]Lostcarkeys 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      Nailed it. Regions that never freeze don't cause local populations to learn smart skills like planning for winter and working together to grow, gather and store food.

                      [–]SNCA_Furweeb 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

                      I will make a counter argument. Why didn't whitey discover the minerals for us, and taught us how to extract them so they could buy it from us later, instead of discovering it, keeping it for themselves, and pillaging the land from tribes?

                      [–]EuropeanAwakening 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                      Because it isn't White peoples job to teach non Whites how to do things. It is White peoples job to do what is in our interest, the samr way every race does. You only hold Whites to this standard, anyway.

                      [–]SNCA_Furweeb 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                      Damn whitey your right, but I would rather migrate to your country and loot because that is how my race succeeds.

                      [–]TiredJustTired[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      It wasn't in white people's long-term, best interests to colonize Africa, the Americas, Australia and the rest of the world, though. White people should've remained in their homeland of Europe where they belong, and that's where they should return before they become hated minorities and either killed or expelled from the foreign lands they colonized. It would be one thing if whites were willing to defend themselves and the lands they colonized, but that doesn't seem to be the case and it's time to face reality.

                      [–]MrZak 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      Its not white people's fault if your people never invented the wheel.

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                        [–]SNCA_Furweeb 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                        Because they avoided black areas on purpose! The verdict is whitey racist!

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                          [–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                          That's actually a fun way to put it.

                          [–]Lostcarkeys 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                          Whitey has been trying to teach blacks how to take care of themselves for centuries. It simply hasn't worked.

                          [–]Jesus-Christ 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                          [–]TiredJustTired[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                          I wasn't aware of that. At this point I should assume that everything I'm/we're doing is being tracked and I/we have no anonymity, but this caught me by surprise (a little). Sharing memes isn't illegal (yet), however I want to set a good example for others and will use one of those websites you listed. Thank you for informing me, and thank you to u/la_cues for bringing this to our attention.

                          [–]Jesus-Christ 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                          No problem man and thank you for your cooperation :) Have a good day.

                          [–]TiredJustTired[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                          Your username... how could it have escaped me? I love you, Jesus. Looking forward to meeting you someday in heaven. (Yes, I know you're not the real Jesus. 😛)

                          [–]Jesus-Christ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                          🙏

                          [–]la_cues 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                          How do you know he's not the real Jesus?

                          [–]TiredJustTired[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                          Hmm, good question. I guess I don't know!

                          [–]superjesus 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                          Look up the Wikipedia article on "Racism In Zimbabwe."
                          Then look at the edit history...
                          There is no escaping the narrative. It's literally everywhere.

                          [–]jet199 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

                          All the exiled Zimbabwean farmers I've met in London have actually been mixed race. That's what counts a white in Africa in many of these stories but it gets misinterpreted by the western media or sometimes they know what's meant but they actually purposely find the one 99% white farmer and put his picture on the piece. And they all very much identify as white Africans not as European or expats or whatever westerners tend to view them as.

                          [–][deleted] 12 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 6 fun -  (9 children)

                          The actual whites probably can't go to london cuz they are raped and dead

                          [–]SNCA_Furweeb 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

                          Damn your right. Or the muslim/jewish immigration officers won't let them in. Maybe there are some in Australia?

                          [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

                          Russia's the only country I'm aware of to open their doors to White South Africans.

                          [–]SNCA_Furweeb 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

                          I think Australia let some in too.

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                            [–]insta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                            people who have a shared culture and heritage and speak the same language as Australians and who would love and bring high value to Australia and whose lives are literally in danger.

                            To be fair, this shouldn't be enough to allow immigration into your country. I don't care how many poor white people need gibs, if they won't add anything to the community I don't want them either.

                            [–]Wahwah 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                            The argument is regarding asylum seekers, so the motive is to give them safety rather than expecting productive immigrants unless of course, you are against the whole refugee intake altogether. Secondly, I'd personally want people who have originally been highly productive in their homeland, are like me in terms of culture and appearance foremost in terms of preference.

                            [–]insta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                            you are against the whole refugee intake altogether.

                            For the most part I am. I understand your argument of "if we're going to do this, these people are the most likely to be compatible" but I don't really agree with this idea that other countries should be dumping grounds for countries in turmoil.

                            I disagree with this notion that if you have it bad enough in your country you should just be given a golden ticket into another. This is a big problem with immigration from latin america. Any women can approach the border and claim her husband smacks her around and apply for asylum.

                            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                            Within the last decade, I mean.

                            [–]SNCA_Furweeb 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                            WHAT? This is valuable information thanks for stepping up man. All this time 4chin would have you believe they were blonde and blue white eyes.

                            So this is just mulattoes getting turned on by half of their blood? Where have we seen that before...

                            [–]jet199 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                            Basically anyone with land was targeted, it was just theft by the ruling elite and they said they were taking land back off evil rich white people to justify it.

                            Plenty of rich and middle class black people got killed and exiled too.

                            Some of the white farmers got invited to other African counties to bring their money and knowledge with them and are doing quite well for themselves. So there were some happy endings.

                            [–]InLaymansterms 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                            Explains why there’s always sob stories trying to get all of us to help out these “poor starving kids in africa”. Is it so hard to help themselves out so we can focus on our own issues??

                            [–]TiredJustTired[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                            For their own benefit, they must become independent from the West (and increasingly China) and learn how to become self-sufficient, because the day will come--and it is fast approaching--when we are unable to provide them with foreign aid due to our own domestic problems. At some point in the future, twenty, thirty, forty years from now, if/when we are unable to feed our own populations, how can we be expected to feed 3,000,000,000+ Africans? It's something we all need to think about.

                            [–]Anatolia 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            rofl imagine thinking that foreign aid in food and subsidies is to actually help the people in africa, it is to keep them indebted to us through the jewish monetary system. yall think WAY too basic.

                            [–]Wahwah 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            Let me be frank (and yes this will be deemed racist though not intended), black people don't seem to run countries well.

                            [–]Dr_Sleep 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            But.. but.. we wuz Kangz!!

                            [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            Good, bad, and ugly, MANY lives were lost too.

                            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            You know the funny thing about Truth is you can attack it, insult it, cover it up, hide it, even bury it. But it's always there and eventually it gets free for all to see. Lies has tried many time to defeat Truth but then there it is because you can't defeat Truth. You can get mad, hate it, turn your back on it, make laws against it,and be mock offended because deep down lies always knows the Truth. You can't keep Truth down or defeat it. It just gets stronger and stronger.

                            [–]m68k 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                            Nah, you stay :3

                            [–]hennaojichan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                            Investment Schemes in Zimbabwe: get in now

                            [–]Tiwaking 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                            Does anyone know how many whites are in Zimbabwe? Very unreliable sources on quora keep saying 'around 10,000'. Is it really that many?