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    [–][deleted] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    Ugh, striving for a decent income has more to do with having enough money on hand to escape from an abusive marriage/relationship/family than it does anything else. Often times, women with no income get trapped in a situation that is inescapable and makes them mentally ill. No man is better than one who abuses you, that's just the way it is. The same men who claim to not want "cut throat career driven women" will lord their money-making power and "dominance" over their lesser-earning wives and girlfriends, making relationships with them tortuous. Guys want women with money, but don't want these same women's money making to interfere with 24/7 domestic toil and on-the-call-sex.

    [–][deleted]  (9 children)

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      [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

      I'm surprised, although maybe I'm thinking in terms of men seeking long-term relationships. It seems to me that the women who are poor or less-well-off are seen as social pariahs, "losers", "stupid" or "gold diggers". The women I know who have men hitting them up are nurses, managers, women with rich families, women with obvious cash coming in.

      Women who look "high maintenance" or have nice dyed/straightened hair, clear skin, perfect makeup, waxed bodies, nice clothes, gym memberships etc., often have money to burn in order to keep up those appearances. It costs more than most men think to look "porn star perfect". A good hair cut plus highlights is easily over $150 every 6 weeks, Brazilian wax $75 ever 6 weeks, gym membership $50 every month, makeup is ridiculous expensive. I'll stick with the gym at present since my job offers a discount, but most of the activities women must perform in order to appear "hot" are out of my reach.

      I know when I lived with my father and had a "nice address", I had a lot more men express interest in me. In hindsight, they thought "Daddy" would leave me some money. In reality, I wasn't his favorite, so I barely got table scraps while my older siblings had houses and cars bought for them. LOL. The appearance of having a rich parent will make people more interested in you than they'd otherwise be.

      Even then, someone like myself who earns average but less-than-ideal-wages can't afford "fun social things" like drinks and going to concerts. Women like me survive from paycheck to paycheck, this kind of eliminates women from dating. (I'm sure men fall into this predicament, too.) Most men don't want to pay, and I wouldn't expect them to do so... so I wouldn't take up an offer for an average restaurant if I knew I couldn't afford it. A lot of men have haphazard employment histories, so they will seek out women who have stable jobs with benefits over women who work as day-care assistant or check-out clerks at Wal-Mart-- at least in terms of long-term relationships.

      My views might be warped, but in my experience it pays to allow for the worst-case-scenario. I've seen way too many women trapped with horrendous spouses... and my observations started at a very young age. A woman with a meager income coming in has no way to protect herself in many places. We're talking drunks, drug users, emotional abusers, serial cheaters and most of my family is Catholic so they believe "marriage is forever", so I had to witness many of these women sink into depression, food/alcohol addiction, insanity.

      It's not much different than being a young adult child, underemployed, and trapped with abusive parents. There's no way out unless you make money, or have access to money... the longer you stay, the more your mind and spirit are destroyed from within, and the harder it becomes to leave.

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        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        I think many women who might have college degrees/stable jobs will still fall into the “low income” range... Same for men. Plenty of people with the right “qualifications” aren’t self sufficient, therefor they’re deemed “poor” and not “date-able”.

        [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        Rich family? Now we're getting into territory of what I described myself having experience with and it's a hurdle.

        Tbh, I think this is just you not wanting to put in the extra effort, which is fine btw. As a man, I agree with you. It is a hurdle.

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          [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Yes, I have. And yes, it is a hurdle.

          [–]wecandobetter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          It's not all juicy peaches to date a highly driven career man either. The trope of the neglected wife and family that become more and more distant and resentful of Mr Bacon-getter exists for a reason.

          [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          That's true.