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[–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Correlation and causation. Interesting concepts, which you ought to look up.

Hint: Do smart people earn more money?

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Still waiting for the paper that explains your very-science-based view that race is the only thing that really matters, which you won't produce, because it doesn't exist, because the claim that socioeconomics doesn't matter is just wrong.

[–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Its 4 am here. If you actually want to change your mind you should just post your claim in s/debatealtright and they will post hundreds of studies. Its well documented.

The average is 49% genetics, the range is around 40-80% for most.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I am aware that genetics plays a factor in life outcomes, and I am also aware that there are genetic disparities between races that will lead to some disparity in life outcomes on average. But his claim was that socioeconomics doesn't matter, and that anyone that believed differently was living in some leftist faith-based fantasy land. That claim was absurd, and what I was trying to disprove.

[–]Zahn 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I said mostly, not 100%. You are giving your faith to a concept that has not been concisely proven, was only an hypothesis to begin with and now is clear it has, for the most part, failed.

The main factor in academic success is genetics: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6194053/

Imagine a world where education, instead of treating everyone as if a one size shoe fits all, is tailored toward people's genetic proclivities instead.

I'm not a geneticist per se, but I do have a background in genetics. I was always amazed, in my niche, at how genetic potential was still often expressed despite a substandard environment. This is true for all living things.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

From the beginning, what I said is that racial differences only account for a minority of difference in life outcomes. The guy I was replying to said "races do exist, and there is an intelligence gap between the races".

I replied to that saying that those differences only account for a minority of the disparity in outcomes.

You replied to that saying that genetics is everything. You did switch from "race" to "genetics" here, but if genetics is everything, then by extension, disparities in life outcomes among races are explained almost entirely by genetics, as that is what determines the differences between races.

I even asked for clarification, citing a number of socioeconomic factors, asking if instead what you were saying was "whether you were black or not" was what really mattered. You replied simply, "yes".

I will throw you a bone here and say you didn't actually read it that closely, so you didn't realize that I asked specifically if you believed the science said this was a racial issue. Honestly, I have no problems doing this, because it's clear you don't read anything that closely. Every link you've posted only establishes that genetics matter. Neither of them claim that genetics are even "mostly" what matter.

You never had any basis to claim that anyone who disagreed with you was living in a faith-based fantasy land. When you affirmed that you believed that socioeconomics didn't matter, you really just affirmed that you're the one living in a fantasy land, because the circumstances of your upbringing do in fact matter.

[–]Zahn 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

At least two of the three links clearly stated that genes mattered more than environment, but you are not reading them thoroughly. The circumstances of your upbringing certainly do matter, just not as much. This figure is believed to be anywhere from 65%- 80+% for the gene's influence.

It is faith based to believe that similar input = similar outcome despite the wide genetic variation of the organism in question that qualifies that outcome.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You're just doing the same revisionism shit here. I asked if you were saying that genetics was the only major factor, you confirmed that was what you were saying. Now you concede that

The circumstances of your upbringing certainly do matter, just not as much.

Glad you've finally found your way out of fantasy land. Before you were claiming that these things didn't matter in any real way, now you acknowledge that they do. I don't feel like arguing percentages with you, because the primary objective - which was to get you to realize your head was stuffed up your ass - has been accomplished.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah not quite, you're framing and convoluting statements. Genetics are everything. You have become a great example of the Dunning Kruger effect.

Because very sincerely, that was an astoundingly weak retort. You don't want to do percentages because it proves my point...And you know it.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

A few days ago I ran into a young-earth creationist that just casually dismissed the fields of geology and archeology as "myth". I could send him all the science you could ask for starting from the very basics, but do you think that would be anything other than a waste of my time? He's never going to accept it because he has his agenda, and will only listen to information that supports his agenda.

We're not having a debate here, at this point it's just a narc rant.

[–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I replied to that saying that those differences only account for a minority of the disparity in outcomes.

This is wrong if by outcomes you mean intelligence