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[–]Dragonerne 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (34 children)

I think its a meme saying "blacks stupid lol"

[–]magnora7 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (33 children)

Yeah seems like some racist divide-and-conquer nonsense

[–]Dragonerne 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (32 children)

To be fair most people still believe the egalitarian lies of the leftist propaganda machine. Races do exist, there is an intelligence gap between the races and less than 20% of researchers believe its only due to the environment and not genetics.

In this social context I guess it can make sense to make these kinds of memes to trigger a reaktion so that leftists engage in the debate. Many will respond with the learned conditioned behaviour "socioeconomics"

[–]FediNetizen 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

Because socioeconomics (and for African-Americans a long history of racism as well) explains the majority of the gap, not racial differences. Just because some racial differences exist doesn't mean they suddenly explain everything.

[–]Zahn 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Genetics are (most) everything. Environment plays a minor role, and those gullible enough to of been led to believe otherwise are complicit in promoting a non scientific faith based belief system that exists for political purposes.....for instance throwing more money at a symptom of a problem instead of addressing the root cause of it.

There a lot of interests lined up at the government pig trough to slurp up a wide array of funding for economic-educational programs that have not to this day fundamentally fixed the problem.

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Environment plays a minor role, and those gullible enough to of been led to believe otherwise are complicit in promoting a non scientific faith based belief system

So just to be clear here, you believe that if I grow up in a single-parent household, that almost doesn't matter? Or if I grow up poor, that almost doesn't matter? Or if my neighborhood has 5x the rate of violent crime you'd find in a middle class suburb, that almost doesn't matter?

What I need to believe is that none of these things really matter, and what really matters is whether or not I'm black, and if I don't I am complicit in promoting a non-scientific faith-based belief system?

[–]Zahn 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

Yes. Usually the simplest answer is the more correct answer. Or you can go through elaborate mental gymnastics, cherry picking information to arrive at your own predetermined conclusion.

https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/minds-business/is-success-in-our-genes.html

And so much more. Regardless of race, you already are cognitive of the fact there are actual "dumb" people. Genetics is most everything. This is like an intelligence litmus test for you, can you figure it out?

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Usually the simplest answer is the more correct answer

So your response here is that because socioeconomics is complicated and multi-dimensional, it must be racial differences that explain everything? Because race is easier for you to understand?

Now you reply with an article, that isn't about race, as evidence that racial differences are the only real factor in differences in life outcomes, when all the article talks about is the fact that genetics in general do play a factor, something which is actually well-established, and not what I was arguing against.

We are now deep into Dunning-Kruger territory here. Why don't we take a look at an actual paper that actually explores the question of how your socioeconomic realities growing up play into life outcomes, shall we?

This is "Race and Economic Opportunity in the United States: An Intergenerational Perspective". Using a huge dataset, they examine the question of how a large variety of socioeconomic factors from one's childhood affect their life outcomes as adults. This includes things like the household income of the parents, whether the father was present at the home, whether the family ever had to move and at what age, etc.

Now I first stumbled across this paper about a year ago, and I found it quite interesting. But what I find interesting now is that I definitely remembered correctly when I came away with the impression that with just one factor, the income of your parents, you can observe a disparity which far exceeds the racial gap. Except now I've got you telling me not only that socioeconomics doesn't matter, but that your claim is supported by science and anyone who claims otherwise is...what was it again..."promoting a non-scientific faith-based belief system".

Now looking at this paper, and contrasting that your claims, I have to come to one of two conclusions:

1) This paper is fake, written by liberal professors who generated phony data so they could make an argument not supported by science

2) Socioeconomic factors do indeed play a significant role in shaping a child's development, and you are just a racist who has deluded yourself into believing that your position is supported by science.

Which conclusion do you think I came to, Zahn?

[–]Zahn 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not talking about race, I am talking about the strong genetic factor linking to education and life outcomes. Since you're a bigot who is race obsessed, I presumed you would quickly resort to an ad hominem to shore up your weak argument. You provided two left leaning pro-big spending Economics authors....Not actual Scientists, who came to the surprising conclusion that we need to spend even more money.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20180905-how-genes-influence-achievement-and-success-in-school

Are you going to believe economists or scientists?

[–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Correlation and causation. Interesting concepts, which you ought to look up.

Hint: Do smart people earn more money?

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Still waiting for the paper that explains your very-science-based view that race is the only thing that really matters, which you won't produce, because it doesn't exist, because the claim that socioeconomics doesn't matter is just wrong.

[–]BigFatRetard 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Intelligence isn't necessarily success.

If you have a few kids from the same parent, you can have much different outcomes for each child despite ostensibly having a relatively similar genetic makeup.

Just look at the Trumps. Donald Trump became President and bangs supermodels, Fred Trump drank himself to death.

[–]Zahn 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Having similar genes doesn't mean that they express in the same way. So even two siblings will have variations because they have genes that are differently expressed and some that are recessive.

[–]BigFatRetard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

that's true, but given the heritability of intelligence from generation to generation, I'd argue that the genetics of a brother and a sister or two brothers or two sisters is going to be much more similar than that of a white person and a completely unrelated black person, so assuming all success is genetic determinism doesn't seem to bear out. Even among people who are based on the same two parents you have huge differences.

The other thing is that I do believe that choice strongly factors into success, going back to the part I said where intelligence isn't the only factor in success. I look at my own reasonably successful life, and 2-3 choices would have a substantial impact on my level of success. Knock up a girl at 13, it all goes away. Give up on school and become a WoW addict, it all goes away. Get deep into cocaine, it all goes away. Those are choices we each need to make and while genetics may help, I don't think it's fully deterministic.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What a misleading characterization. Fred built the foundation that Trump stands on and taught him the real estate game.

[–]BigFatRetard 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not the elder Fred Trump, Fred Trump Fred and Mary Trump's son and Donald's brother.

[–]Trajan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Genetics isn’t almost everything. For big five traits overall it looks to be around 40-60%, with significant variance for some of the traits. Although there is good evidence of IQ being heritable at up to 80% (adults, not children), upbringing and social factors significantly mediate this effect. In ideal circumstances (e.g. good nutrition, stable household and social setting) heritability is in the higher end. In more challenged circumstances heritability drops.

I included personality along with IQ as both are strongly evidenced to affect outcomes.

[–]Chipit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is a left-wing sacred value, and no leftist will ever be convinced no matter how much evidence is piled up. Black people's problems are white people's fault, end of story.

The Chinese have no such ridiculous hang ups and are going to kick our asses. 100 years from now people will ask, "how could they be so cruel, letting the less intelligent suffer by allowing them to flounder in a world built for 110-130 IQ people? What was wrong with them?"

[–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

explains the majority of the gap, not racial differences

According to whom?
Most say 40-80% genetic iirc.

Just because some racial differences exist doesn't mean they suddenly explain everything.

If r/hbd wasn't nuked I would have a study for you to show that socioeconomics explain exactly nothing in the US. It was a 2020 study too with large N.

[–]copenseethe 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Test score and iq gaps remain even when controlling for economic class.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I saw a fundamentalist rabbi Jew call black people monkeys. There's certainly a connection between revisionist Zionism and white supremacy. They base everything on race and want their own ethnostate.

[–]EuropeanAwakening 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

LOL. Jess are the real White SUPREEEEMISTS. Can you give me a definition of White Suoremacist and give me the names of some people who identify as White Supremacists?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Read your bible. Jesus wasn't a white supremacist. I don't really know any white supremacists except for the ZioCon controlled alt-right who are mostly Jews and are not white, according to them.