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[–]Canbot[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

nor can anyone really define what capitalism is

You need to get out of your bubble if you never heard anyone define capitalism. It is simply the right of the people to do what they want with their own money. That means you have the right to create your own business, hire workers, sell products without the interference of government. Full stop. Everything else that leftists tack on are straw man arguments.

Nearly every experiment with alternatives has been ruined by infiltration

Oh how convenient. Every example that proves you wrong, literally thousands of them, were all ruined by capitalist. How gullible can you be? There are literally thousands of examples of the leaders themselves purposefully murdering tens of millions to further their aspirations. Thousands of examples of how socialist and communist policies directly led to poverty, crime, etc. But it would have all still worked if not for the invisible hand of capitalists.

The soviet union was more capitalist than not Everyone had to believe everything was shared, but it was still held by a plutocratic elite

I hate to break it to you but that is how all communist countries work. Studies have shown that once you get more than 50-100 people in your group the societal pressures that keep people honest fall apart. It becomes impossible to police people. So everyone with any kind of power uses it for personal gain.

When you go to the store you give them money to get your food that makes them want to sell you the food. When the dynamic changes and they are supposed to hand you the food for free they have absolutely no incentive to do so. They have the food, what do you have? What are you going to give them in return? They may give you the shitty food to keep up appearances and tell you the good food is all gone, while they secretly hoard it for family, friends, and those who give them bribes. This happens at every single point of exchange in every single communist country. It is baked into the communist cake. You can't have one without the other.

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Le Funny hardcore edgy comment.

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And there it is the tamper tantrum with name calling and screeching. Typical.

If you can't support your beliefs with logical arguments that means you are wrong. I hope one day, when your brain fully develops, you will be able to understand that.

However, you can't have capitalist communes in a socialist or Communist country because they are not allowed. You can have a communist commune in a Capitalist country; no one is stopping you.

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You can have a communist commune in a Capitalist country; no one is stopping you.

Nice man, I try to remind people of this all the time. There are also plentiful examples of successful co-ops and not-for-profits. Hardly anyone wants to hear it of course, they'd rather send their money to Bernie Sanders and rely on hope.