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[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (33 children)

I disapprove of this meme.

What you consider capitalism in our current system is not even really capitalism, nor can anyone really define what capitalism is besides another word for plutacracy.

Nearly every experiment with alternatives has been ruined by infiltration and covert/overt war by global plutocratic forces.

The soviet union was more capitalist than not, it had no real elements of democratic socialism or communism. Everyone had to believe everything was shared, but it was still held by a plutocratic elite that relied on external monetary assistance from capitalistic countries, and that had to be hidden with a mountain of propaganda.

So this meme sucks, and really just a right wing ad hominem attack on the left wing.

https://archive.is/dmjdm how i define the dialectic, and i switch left and right around for fun and to make a point

https://archive.is/ZinJT this is what really happened during our lifetimes, and we have been robbed and told it is our fault, and this is what capitalism means to me

https://archive.is/8iqjM this is for the person who made this meme

Also, capitalism is so sure it is the best form of gov that it creates fake alternatives cultures out of undercover police, and infiltrates every grouping of more than 1 person, using fake front orgs like numundo.org to lure and entrap anyone willing to try a different life than living in a box in a city and driving to work and begging for the privilege at the risk of being made homeless.

[–]Jesus 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

True, it's corporatism and cronyism but capitalism still exists in the localities.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Fair enough. (would expect no less from, you know, jesus lol)

btw did you get a chance to look at my meme book?

https://leanpub.com/thebookoflongformremixmemes

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I did, counter-intelligence, to counter perception management. Most memes are propaganda and many are probably published straight from the DoD.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Your meaning here is not clear, would you care to elaborate?

One of the main points in my Expanded Definitions book is that the word intelligence has been redefined to mean spy, while the word spy is disappearing.

The meme ITT is one that strikes me as from the dod, but what are you saying about mine, especially the ones in my book?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

What I meant to say was that your memes are a "counter-intelligence" operation to their perception managment. Research perception management, the word counter and intelligence might legally define what TPTB want it to mean, but the two words together are rather incoherent. Basically, your memes counter the propagandists perception management. There are various tactics in perception management. One such is teh ambiguity method, another is schema, where they use past propaganda to push present propaganda. It's lies being backed by lies.

Perception management manufactures consent to oppression.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

First, this is hardly an analysis of my work, it is a dodge.

Second, counter and intelligence do totally go together, that means you have identified someone or something intelligent and are working opposite to its goals, like you declare a real world chess match between you and the other intelligence and then you try to put it in checkmate, subjudgate it, accomplish your objective, which could be a lot of things. For instance once you have another intelligence subjugated you can farm it for assistance like a parallel processor.

What I am opposed to is my own country doing this to me, that is totalitarian, that is tyranical, that is a form of slavery, no human should accept it and no human would if it were not set up this way covertly under auspices of the red white and blue, thomas jefferson, etc.

But eventually it isnt even your country but a network of cults and one of them is epstein and he is patrolling your neighborhood for parmores and even if you catch him he is above the law. Meanwhile he can start a distant chess game against you, and if you pay attention that is exactly what happened to julie brown and ronan farrow.

And if you read my work, actually, you will see they are doing it to me. And if you read the bible accurately, that is exactly how they got you on the cross and murdered you without anyone else being possibly declared responsible. (i mean this in the way you are obviously larping....)

You are right that my memes are meant to dissolve heinous propaganda and promote actual good and effective human values, aka wisdom, but if that is all you have to say it is still a dodge and you have not yet convinced me you arent at eglin afb.

I have researched perception management, many of my memes are about that, manufacturing consent, etc etc, I will consider any other work you suggest to me, but you have a ways to go before I believe you actually read my meme book and consider my work, and many of the things I am witnessing, and the dialectical analysis I am proposing.

You could even start there, your analysis of my intended dialectic is incorrect, so I say try again. The neo vs morph meme and the person of e meme, as well as the pleasantville meme, and last starfighter meme, are my hints.

Remember I have a ton of experience with shills and they always, always want to frame my work in how i am marketing it, presenting it, going about it, what my intentions are, what it means is going on in my head, but not a one of them can actually write a book report about my work that would even achieve the 6th grade level.

So please do, or well, I will have to assume some 35 year old psychop air force lieutenant at eglin afb is just screwing with my head, like usual on the internet these days.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You are right that my memes are meant to dissolve heinous propaganda and promote actual good and effective human values, aka wisdom, but if that is all you have to say it is still a dodge and you have not yet convinced me you arent at eglin afb.

I have not read everything yet because I don't have the time yet, that's all. And I'm certainly not a shill. I saved your work in my bookmarks and when I have the time will certainly read everything.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It is 119 pages long, almost all memes. I re-reread it a few days ago in about 20 minutes.

I will hold you to this, forever.

And be careful, you judged a book by its cover and judged the writers intentions rather than the content of the book, which is a major shill tactic I encounter every day of the week, I expect more from you, of course, being you know, the saidit jesus larper.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

119, is that a coincidence? Believe it or not. I don't have time, and I won't waste my time on it. I understand the tactics they use. I'm spending less time on the webs where they want you to be.

I never said I would read the book, I only read through some parts of your website, and indeed, I liked the material. I never judged the book.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I misread your first post, and indeed, said I read your meme book, but was only referring to the website and memes you linked on your website. God bless.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

However, when I get the time I'll read one of them.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If this turns into never, I will have to assume you are a shill.

It is not a long book.

The #1 trait of every shill I have ever encountered is a refusal to consider materials presented to them.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have a life. So, call me a shill then. I'm fine with that. Eventually I'll read it, but until then I have to take a break. ALso, I cannot get teh ebook. I click the big blue button and nothing happens. Turned off Ad blocker too and still nothing.

The #1 trait of every shill I have ever encountered is a refusal to consider materials presented to them.

You do realize I agree with everything you're saying. I looked through your website and found it insightful. But I don't have the time to read a meme book. And just because I'm not going to read it now, as I'm reading books on permaculture, doesn't mean I won't read it.

God bless.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Russians were transporting it through Wuhan & had an vehicle accident (and subsequent release). It is also being said that it was manufactured in a Wuhan lab. Was it eating to much bat crap, was it the damn deep state? Who knows??

^ ^ ^ That's non-linear disinformation. The more ambiguity and injceted drama based on anonymous sources, which basically means, they made it up, the more confusion.

Another example;

Non-linear propaganda in geopolitics ; so Bolton wanted regime change but he didn't, so, Trump wanted Regime change, but he doesn't?

https://invidio.us/watch?v=boVR8pLjfiI

The future reality of war' is asymmetric warfare, it is utilized to disarm peoples' sensibilities.

That way people are more susceptible to overt propganda because they cannot make sense of their past sensibilities. The additional campaign of targeted information overload with many conflicting narratives is also a tactic to relieve persons' of their sensibilities. If every piece of information conflicts with every other piece of information, our sensibilites become entangled in the conflict. Not many people understand that this sort of propganda breeds apathy. The real point to take away from all this mumbo jumbo is that the information isn't suppose to make sense. Trying to make sense of all it is the covert agenda. IT'S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO!

One must understand that the conflicting narratives are manufactured. Until then, people will continue to fall for this deception.

[–]Canbot[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

nor can anyone really define what capitalism is

You need to get out of your bubble if you never heard anyone define capitalism. It is simply the right of the people to do what they want with their own money. That means you have the right to create your own business, hire workers, sell products without the interference of government. Full stop. Everything else that leftists tack on are straw man arguments.

Nearly every experiment with alternatives has been ruined by infiltration

Oh how convenient. Every example that proves you wrong, literally thousands of them, were all ruined by capitalist. How gullible can you be? There are literally thousands of examples of the leaders themselves purposefully murdering tens of millions to further their aspirations. Thousands of examples of how socialist and communist policies directly led to poverty, crime, etc. But it would have all still worked if not for the invisible hand of capitalists.

The soviet union was more capitalist than not Everyone had to believe everything was shared, but it was still held by a plutocratic elite

I hate to break it to you but that is how all communist countries work. Studies have shown that once you get more than 50-100 people in your group the societal pressures that keep people honest fall apart. It becomes impossible to police people. So everyone with any kind of power uses it for personal gain.

When you go to the store you give them money to get your food that makes them want to sell you the food. When the dynamic changes and they are supposed to hand you the food for free they have absolutely no incentive to do so. They have the food, what do you have? What are you going to give them in return? They may give you the shitty food to keep up appearances and tell you the good food is all gone, while they secretly hoard it for family, friends, and those who give them bribes. This happens at every single point of exchange in every single communist country. It is baked into the communist cake. You can't have one without the other.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Le Funny hardcore edgy comment.

[–]Canbot[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

And there it is the tamper tantrum with name calling and screeching. Typical.

If you can't support your beliefs with logical arguments that means you are wrong. I hope one day, when your brain fully develops, you will be able to understand that.

However, you can't have capitalist communes in a socialist or Communist country because they are not allowed. You can have a communist commune in a Capitalist country; no one is stopping you.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And there it is the tamper tantrum with name calling and screeching. Typical.

Not really lol. I just wanted to be funny hardcore for a second and go all out for giggles. I'll edit the comment because it was meant to be tongue in cheek gangsta parody. hehe

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can have a communist commune in a Capitalist country; no one is stopping you.

Nice man, I try to remind people of this all the time. There are also plentiful examples of successful co-ops and not-for-profits. Hardly anyone wants to hear it of course, they'd rather send their money to Bernie Sanders and rely on hope.

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    [–]Canbot[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

    OMG. The school system is over run with leftists. You are literally brainwashed with leftist propaganda throughout your entire education system, reinforced by the leftist media and even further left Hollywood. No one is taught to think anything positive about capitalism. You learn this when you enter the real world.

    Perhaps you could try and make some sort of logical argument instead of pulling some bullshit ad hominem out of your ass. How exactly is that wrong?

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      [–]Canbot[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

      How is this something you blame capitalism for? Do you think that those same people would not scheme and manipulate to get ahead under any other form of government?

      Do you think Castro, Maduro, and Kim Jung il are good people?

      The unscrupulous always worm their way into power, that is why the best government is the one that minimizes the damage they can do. Which is exactly why giving government control over who gets to work where is absolutely insane and can't end well.

      There is corruption in every form of government. Which is exactly why simply pointing to a few examples of it in capitalism is not a valid argument for a different form of government.

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        [–]Canbot[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

        Capitalism keeps government out of business. It gives people property rights, and business rights, which people can use to empower themselves. It is a balance of power against the government. It means you are not beholden to the government for survival. There is no greater power the government can have over you than when they control your food, your income, your healthcare, your housing, etc. With every "socialized" part of your life you lose that freedom and take one more step towards effective slavery.

        The biggest problems in Capitalist countries are caused by government collusion with business. Nearly every single "capitalism is evil" example is the result of corruption between giant corporations and Government officials. And the proposed solution by critics of Capitalism is to hand over to the government total control of business. Tell me how the fuck that makes sense. All it does is remove the need for collusion.

        When the Government creates monopolies in capitalist societies it is called corruption. Under Socialism that is literally every business. They do what they want because they own the business. You can't compete with them, they are the government. They can literally use the military to keep you from challenging them in any way.

        Capitalism simply gives the people the power to make their own destiny. To build their own family business. To save up and secure their own future.

        Socialism and communism take all of that away and force you to be dependent on the government for everything; and when you are dependent on someone for everything you are essentially their slave.

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          [–]Canbot[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          Taxes aren't capitalist. Taxes are collected to pay for government programs. They are the socialist part of capitalist societies because pure capitalism doesn't exist. Pure capitalism would not have any schools or roads or police or anything paid for by government; everything would be private. So the part of Capitalist society you hate so much is actually the socialist part. Nice. The question is who brainwashed you into blaming Capitalism for socialist programs?

          In the US the government was entirely funded by sales taxes. Property taxes were introduced to pay for public education. Do you want to get rid of public education and not pay property tax?

          Those schools have to be paid for one way or another. Communist societies don't get magic education systems that don't have to be paid for. That money has to come from somewhere. It is coming out of your pocket one way or another.

          And if you think the rich will pay for it under communism when they don't under capitalism you must have forgotten that you just gave them more power by combining government and business. I guarantee that it is the same people who will be running the country when that happens and they ain't paying for shit when they get more power. You have to be insane to think that.

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            [–]Canbot[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

            You are just envious of the rich. There is nothing either good or evil about other people being more wealthy than you.

            [–]One_Jack_Move 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            OK, so did you miss their sarcasm... or am I just missing you using their comment to springboard your own comment?

            Either way I agree with both of you.

            [–]Cuckslayer69 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

            He blatantly missed it, then instead of admitting his mistake he's trying to pivot. Must be hoping for a career in politics.

            [–]Canbot[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            I got it, but the argument is made a lot in a non sarcastic way so I figured I would respond just to get the counter point out there. Sarcasm is fine, but it is not a good argument.

            [–]FreeJulianAssange 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            I bet you are poor. Most Americans that vehemently defend capitalism are poor, hoping to get rich.

            Good luck with that, stay off meth.

            [–]Canbot[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            Oh wow, what a great argument. How does that work exactly? You just make up some insulting bullshit about the other person and attribute their view to that? Amazing! Let me try: I bet you are a developmentally challenged graduate with a liberal arts degree. Most Europeans who blindly hate capitalism despite not being able to support that hatred with intelligent arguments are developmentally challenged and hold a worthless degree created to churn retards through the college system pretending that they got an education.

            [–]FreeJulianAssange 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            My post was for others to read. There is no use debating partisan ideologues like you. You aren't prepared to learn we both know that. All you will do is dig your heels even deeper into ignorance. Best of luck and have a nice day.

            [–]Canbot[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            And my post was not for you, as you are clearly a partisan ideologue with no interest in an intellectual discussion. I was merely destroying your bullshit claim for the benefit of anyone who might not see the absurdity of your logic. The irony of you calling me ignorant when I am here willing and capable of defending everything I say while you are not is probably beyond your comprehension.

            It should be clear to everyone that you are the one who lacks any intelligent argument, and your name calling exposes your juvenile, underdeveloped prefrontal cortex. I hope one day you will develop the ability to see just how cringy you come across, and that outside your circle of equally handicapped peers no one is impressed with your insults and baseless accusations.

            [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

            It's hard to tell who's saying the quote, the capitalists, the communists, the Russians, the Antifa, the CIA, the American infiltrators, the UN, and so many Zionists... ALL of them are totalitarian murderers it appears.

            [–]NoahWebstersGhost 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            The type of adolescent-minded unaccountable bully who could not live up to his fathers level of right and wrong and is now tyrannical with fear of being found out that he still wets the bed.

            [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            ?

            [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

            Nothing is inherently evil. Not communism, not true capitalism, not marxism, nor socialism.

            It is human nature and the love of money or the want for a utopian society when human nature always prevails that causes these troubles.

            To find a solution based on an ism or system will never work. It's as if banking is evil; it isn't, but understanding the human nature of banking and interest; the lever driving the fractional reserve banking ledger system is what is evil.

            [–]Canbot[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

            It is not "love of money" it is self interest, and it just so happens that having as much money as possible is good for you. Taking money out of the equation doesn't change anything. People will still fight over everything. It may be political power, the house closer to the lake, political opinions; literally everything. Taking away money just makes things worse.

            [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

            True, but money certainly comes into play. Self-interest can be as simple as gardening for yourself.

            [–]Canbot[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

            I'm not trying to insult you here but I don't think you understand what self interest is here. For every bad thing someone does "for money" they would do that exact same thing if money was not a factor because they are simply acting in self interest. You are blaming the bad action on money, when the blame belongs to the person. And you are saying they are acting this way "for money" when in fact they are acting this way for self interest.

            Money is a tool of exchange and we need it. It is not bad. It does not motivate evil. Self interest motivates evil. We should have laws that make peoples self interests align with the greater good. It has nothing to do with the existence of money.

            [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            However, there can be better money systems then the current fractional reserve ledger system we have today based on permanent public debt.

            [–]Canbot[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Yes, central banking should be abolished; the banksters thrown in jail and their ill gotten gains used to fix the problems they created. The Federal Reserve system is an out right scam.

            [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

            Well, yes, I agree wholeheartedly. It is "human nature" that then is at fault, and no entity in control , nor what ism being pushed, or what money system being errected will change the fallibility of human nature. Only following Yeshua's teachings, in my homest opinion, can reign in this fallibility of the flesh.

            [–]Canbot[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

            Until such a time when it is reigned in we should have a government that functions with corruption in mind. That means as little government power as possible, but enough to control the power of mega corporations. Personal freedom should be the goal, and that means personal responsibility. None of this "government should take care of everyone" because that means government needs to be given unlimited power and control.

            [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

            But the government is a revolving door of cronyists, corporatists and criminals who do not represent the people.

            They regulate the people far more than they do the corporations.

            [–]Canbot[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

            So how is the answer to remove the door and make it easier for them?

            We still have property rights that they have not been able to take away. We still have the ability to create our own businesses and determine our own destiny. It is only in some areas where they have been able to use regulations to make it harder for new businesses to compete, under socialism every singe business that is socialized can not be competed against. If monopolies are bad under capitalism how exactly does making every business a monopoly going to make things better?

            Capitalism is the wall between business and government. The solution to holes in the wall is to fix the holes not to demolish the wall. Crony capitalism is a step closer to communism not away from it. We could figure out how to patch those holes if there weren't leftists coming to all the conservative talks literally screaming to prevent people from talking.

            [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

            It's not to remove the entire system of government but rather to remove the false systems; those "checks and balances" set in place regulating the people and deregulating the corporate and banking sector, whilst the executive sits in their ivory towers lording it over their subjects. The executive and presidential policy directives need to go; neo-Hamiltonians and Latitudinarian constructionists have corrupted Jeffersons form of government and the true intentions of the constitution. It would be best to put people of merit and empathy in positions that look to provide the people with as much, freedom, privacy and liberty as possible. That certainly isn't happening.

            The GOP conservatives care more about lobby money and their neocon overlords then they do about the US. They proclaim a democracy when such was never intended.

            To remove the door it not to remove government but to remove those in positions of government that serve self-interest. One way would be to make it illegal for all public and civil workers to hold stock. Wall street should not be attached to the working economy. It should be a separate entity. The FED should be abolished in its place erect independent treasures based on silver reserves and silver certificates without the need for government bonds and permanent public debt.

            We have property rights but what right is property if we do not truly have allodial title? God's law is allodial title; do you pay property tax? If so, we do not truly own our property.

            We still have the ability to create our own businesses and determine our own destiny.

            It is certainly getting far harder. We are not in the 70's anymore. The quality of well being in the middle class has plummeted. Deregulating the corporations who now classify themselves as people has led to price gouging, price fixing and monopolies on entire industries. The barrier of entry is near impossible to compete with these behemoth entities.

            And because employers are under a lot of stress, so too are employees. The COVID-19 crisis was the biggest wealth transfer in history. They used low commodity prices to further amalgamate, monopolize and buy up the agriculture sector, which is the heart of the country.

            Socialism, nobody wants it. But all systems are mixed with socialist programs. It's just if we want these programs to work for the people or to be exploited by greed and incompetence.

            Cronyism then is just another form of socialism. When big banks, the health care industry are bailed out with taxpayer money, they are in essence on welfare. They have trillion dollar handicaps and they use the middle class as collateral. That sounds like quite a nice socialist scheme.

            If monopolies are bad under capitalism how exactly does making every business a monopoly going to make things better?

            By not making every business a monopoly and getting certain regulations in place to prevent price gouging and price fixing.

            Capitalism is the wall between business and government.

            Real capitalism is.

            The solution to holes in the wall is to fix the holes not to demolish the wall.

            Agreed. But it ain't happening and most definitely not with Trump.

            We could figure out how to patch those holes if there weren't leftists coming to all the conservative talks literally screaming to prevent people from talking.

            leftists and right leaning people espousing their opinions is not the point here.

            The US is a corportocracy according to a 30 year Princeton study. Some might contend an oligarchy-plutocracy run on crony-capitalism. The executive has power to do as they please. These are BIG holes, not small ones.

            [–]Canbot[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

            It would be best to put people of merit and empathy in positions

            Holy shit dude, did you already forget everything that was said when this conversation started? There is no such thing as benevolent people that you can give unlimited power to and expect them to never become corrupt. The most corrupt people are going to be the ones to capture the reigns of power. The only solution is to limit that power as much as possible. People are corrupt, full stop. If you can find a way to make them incorruptible then you don't need to change one single thing with government, you just put those people in power right now.

            provide the people with as much, freedom, privacy and liberty as possible.

            This is called Capitalism. Guess what people do with their freedom and liberty... they build wealth. Then people like you get jealous of their wealth and demand that they pay for all your shit. And you make up stories claiming that anyone with any wealth must have stolen it otherwise you would have it too.

            Freedom, privacy and liberty are incompatible with Socialism.

            The GOP conservatives care more about lobby money

            And for the 4th and final time now, the solution to government colluding with big business is not to make them one entity with no barrier to corruption.

            Your claim that property taxes mean you don't own property is as logical as those people who claim they are free citizens and therefore don't have to follow any laws; it just doesn't work that way. Or the people who claim they don't have to pay income tax and end up in prison. It doesn't make sense even though you think it does. Taxes and ownership are two different things. Yes, you absolutely can be forced to pay taxes on things you own and it does not change the fact that you own them.

            It would be great if we didn't have public schools and everyone educated their own kids; unfortunately we have too many incredibly stupid people who would raise their children with no education at all and then those kids would grow up to be criminals plaguing the town they were born in. So all in all I think it is a good trade off for the local residents to pay for public schools.

            Deregulating the corporations who now classify themselves as people has led to price gouging, price fixing and monopolies on entire industries.

            First off, price fixing does nothing to stifle competition, it is what happens in a duopoly or oligopoly when a small number of corporations collude. It is a motivator for competition. It is a counter capitalist practice and most capitalists support using the government to prevent that; as well as to break up monopolies. All of these criticisms are very ironic of course because this is a discussion about the differences between capitalism and communism and everything from price fixing to monopolies are exactly what define communism. That is how communism operates in its entirety. So your criticism of Capitalism is in those areas where it is corrupted and behaves like communism, except you are twisting that to be a slight against capitalism and presumably an argument for communism. It just doesn't follow.

            It's just if we want these programs to work for the people or to be exploited by greed and incompetence.

            Once again you seem to have this fairy tale in your head that you can put different people in power and they will be benevolent and run things better. It doesn't work that way. Socialist programs are not exploited by "evil capitalists" they are exploited by everyone. That is the nature of socialist programs, and socialism in general. It is susceptible to exploitation and so it gets exploited by everyone. Stop blaming Capitalism for it. It just doesn't work that way.

            Cronyism then is just another form of socialism.

            I would say it is half way between capitalism and socialism. They still have to pretend to be capitalist. They are still usually violating some laws, so there is some hope of stopping it. Socialism is sort of like legalized Cronyism.

            That sounds like quite a nice socialist scheme.

            Yup, just shy of real socialism where they would not have to wait for an opportunity to create bailouts, they would just print money every day for themselves as happens in Venezuela.

            If monopolies are bad under capitalism how exactly does making every business a monopoly going to make things better? ... By not making every business a monopoly

            Do you even understand the context of the question? Socialism is government control of business. When the government controls business then every business is a monopoly. No one is allowed to compete against the government.

            Real capitalism is.

            Let's make capitalism real again!

            But it ain't happening and most definitely not with Trump.

            OMG, stop watching MSM it is rotting your brain. Hillary is 100x as corrupt as Trump, and tied to all the most corrupt people in government. The media is controlled by the elite, so the person they hate the most is the least corrupt person running for office. That is Trump. He is not perfect, but he is the lesser evil.

            Princeton study

            Ivy league has no credibility, they are leftist mouth pieces. But once again I have no problem trying to address corruption, I have a problem with people claiming that corruption is a Capitalist phenomenon and that some other form of government would operate without corruption as if by magic. It just doesn't work that way. Stop saying Capitalism has corruption therefore (insert leftist newage bullshit government type) is the answer. That is not a valid argument.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

            You seriously miss the central point of tyranny through human agency though. Capitalism is evil in many regards because it follows the same suit to communism as another side of the same coin. OP fail.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

            it is tho

            [–]Canbot[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

            People are evil, not systems of government. Under capitalism the evil people have less power to do evil than under socialism and communism. That is why the worst atrocities in history have been perpetrated by Communists.

            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            true. capitalism funds communism, we're getting played by that. A better system would be, I don't know what to call it, but get rid of bankers and decentralize everything. Have socialism for needed things like healthcare, roads, bridges, cops, etc. Don't need to tax people to hell for that cuz fiat money is made up out of nothing. Need raw materials and manpower. People wouldn't be so against it and suspicious of things like healthcare if the govt didn't purposely take freedoms away and tax half your livelihood and say that was needed.

            [–]Canbot[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            I like it. Except I don't trust government healthcare because of what they do with the VA. That is most likely the way they will handle all healthcare. Road are also a mess, the construction workers purposefully tear up roads and then go on strike demanding more money using the congestion they created as leverage to pressure the city to pay up. Cops constantly abuse their power and have no accountability. I am for social programs only where there is no alternative, for example we can't have a private police force because crime against the poor would be rampant. But we do have a private healthcare system that works. It is not perfect but it works. There is even free healthcare for the poor, it is called Medicaid.

            I am all for dong something to bring down the cost of medicine, but socializing it will not do that. It will simply create a giant trough of public money for the medical industry to raid. There are all kinds of ways to keep people alive just a few months longer but the costs are astronomical. If you can afford it, good for you, but we can't afford to give that to everyone. Who decides who gets it? Why should no one get it? Banning it would prevent research and development that could one day make it affordable for all. In the mean time the rich need to finance it themselves.

            And then there are even harder question to answer and things we will never agree on. There are frankly people born with debilitating diseases that cost tens of millions to keep alive and their quality of life is terrible; the idea that we should all be saddled with that bill and have absolutely no say in it is a no go. We have too many stupid people in this world who will fight tooth and nail for SJW expenditures without the intelligence to understand the costs and consequences. We all had the experience of being put into a work group at school with a bunch of people and 1 person did all the work while others took credit for doing nothing. I am done with being forced into groups where I have to suffer because of the laziness or stupidity of other people. This country will be absolutely destroyed at the hands of these idiots, and they outnumber the intelligent.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            nah it won't ever be perfect but we need roads, bridges, etc, and they fall apart due to weather and use and need to be repaired. If they don't get paid enough they need to strike, that is how change happens. And VA healthcare isn't perfect but way better than anyone else's.

            [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            Exactly, marxism isn't inherently evil too. It's people and the love of money that causes all the troubles we see in this world. Socialism and communism was suppose to bring about a classless, free society and yet look at the Bolsheviks. They lived lavish lifestyles oppression everyone else.

            Human nature is the cause, and no ism or system can solve it.

            [–]Canbot[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            The problem is that you can't have the magical socialist or capitalist paradise because they all REQUIRE that people be good. They require that people do things that go against their own best interest and in the interest of the collective; and that is not how people behave. Capitalism on the other hand uses people's greed to get them to do things that are good for society, like create factories, invent new things etc. Leftists want to complain about planned obsolescence as if that is the greatest evil, but without capitalism those products would never exist to begin with and that is even worse.

            Capitalism works despite people being evil. Socialism and Communism do not.

            [–]BorrowedLadder 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            This is so stupid it hurts. Commentary as lazy as your art

            [–]Canbot[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Your comment is literally just a stupid insult. Do you even know what irony is?

            [–]Hellothereawesome 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Indeed.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

            Did you know that capitalism was originally a marxist term? When you've been taught that the evolution of feudalism into capitalism is evil, you're being manipulated by people that only care about power.

            [–]Canbot[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

            I did. It was invented as a slur. It was intended to create the illusion that only the rich benefit from free market principles, a belief the left still holds on to.

            The original intent was simply to sow divisions in the populace to weaken the US. They chose our greatest strength, our freedom, to use against us. Art of war 101.

            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

            Such views are the result of psychology splitting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)

            And it would seem that those seeking power use this phenomenon to divide and conquer.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

            feudalism < capitalism < socialism

            keep improving, never stay stagnant. Permanent revolution.

            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

            Permanent revolution? That's neo-conservatism - constantly provoke revolutions in other peoples countries. No thanks. Reformed, liberal, democratic, mixed economy (capitalism). One that doesn't treat mental illness as a merit.

            [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            Permanent revolution? That's neo-conservatism - constantly provoke revolutions in other peoples countries. No thanks. Reformed, liberal, democratic, mixed economy (capitalism). One that doesn't treat mental illness as a merit.

            No that's interventionism and imperialism. THough constant destabilization and balkanization is totally a goal of the neocons.

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            Neo-Conservatism is actually Marxist, but in a 1984 wasn't supposed to an instruction manual sense. Irving Kristol etc. were all Marxists that became imperialists/interventionists because they saw the authoritarianism that Marxism tends to engender. So the imperialism/interventionism we have today is in itself revolutionary, just not revolutionary in America, that's for target countries.

            Adam Smith considered that capitalism produces a kind of harmony. Karl Marx considered that capitalism was based on class conflict. The former actually engendered harmony during its time while the later continues provoke conflict to this day.

            [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            I agree, they are neo-Trotskyites. What is your take on Adam Smith's hidden hand?

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            It's just a phrase to describe the functioning of something higher than its individual parts.

            [–]indy_110 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            People die under "communism" / "socialism": Communism / Socialism!

            People die under capitalism: Communism / Socialism!

            Oh look, reddit is here. They don't know the definition of socialism and when asked to name a socialist country, they say Venezuela even though Venezuela is capitalist because they can only repeat what the media tells them.

            "Billionaires good, capitalism means being able to spend money, and the US is never involved in regime change." It's so hard to tell the difference between the average 90 IQ internet user and shills these days.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

            [–]Canbot[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Oh here we go. Everyone get the bumpers and padding out someone crawled out of thier safe space.

            Please don't sue me for not having the proper trigger warnings.

            [–]Cuckslayer69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Venezuela is socialist. At a cursory glance, this is evident from the name of their ruling party "Partido Socialista Unido de Venezuela". If you look into their policies, you can very easily see that they are focused on social welfare distribution programs.

            Please explain why you think it isn't?

            Also, you've created a false equivalency between supporting (or more accurately, tolerating) capitalism and supporting US interventionism.

            [–]realister 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

            paging u/magnora7

            [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            Where does it advocate violence? Looks like it's actually saying this is an example of what we should avoid, does it not?

            [–]realister 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            I was gonna say it advocates violence against communists, but its a dumb joke, I failed.

            [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            Oh sorry, I deal with legit complains all day, so sometimes complaints disguised as humor go over my head because I am stuck in "deal with complaints" mode lol

            Also someone did report this exact post for that same thing in PMs, for real

            [–]realister 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            yes, sorry you have to deal with that