Who gains from lying to us?

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[–]hone 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

jason carswell is a shill imo

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I admit it. I'm a shill. What is it that I'm shilling exactly?

Honey knows I'm a shill because they've been on this site for 1 hour, and has stalked and responded to me several times over. To be honest, I think this /u/hone is actually /u/daikuji and possibly /u/wizzwizz4 who was absent for months, then messaged me kindly, once, recently, 7 days ago. Then this daikuji person shows up and it was early on that I realized this person has huge reasoning issues and is poisoning many conversations, often bitterly, perhaps ignorantly and/or possibly intentionally, just like wizzwizz4 used to do. I hadn't said anything because I didn't want to unnecessarily besmirch wizzwizz4, yet now hone suddenly appears.

Curiously, /u/wizzwizz4's last public comment was 4 months ago (but messaged me 7 days ago) and /u/daikuji's was last comment was 5 hours ago (with a 15 day old account) and in the single hour of /u/hone's existence on SaidIt, they have made 3 posts and 13 comments, 10 of which are aimed at me. They may not all be the same person but their reasoning skills are often equally terrible.

[–]wizzwizz4 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

For the record, I'm not /u/hone. If you're bored enough to trawl through my comment history, you'll see I've never called anybody a shill. For all my reasoning faults, it's not my style; I'd talk about a "conflict of interest" or something. The only way this could be me is if I were trying to discredit anti-Semitism by associating it with such inanity. (But I don't really think it needs my help with that.) Or, possibly, try discredit anti-Israel sentiment by associating it with anti-Semitism? But that's out of character, too, because I don't really care enough about the geopolitics of the Levant to (badly) employ dark-side epistemology.

Plus, you know, I don't use alts. (But you don't have any way of verifying that.)

I think this user is being honest at simulacrum level 2 – that is, their words are lies, but their sentiment isn't deception; you can take their slander of you as an honest "I don't like /u/JasonCarswell". I think /u/hone is probably an alt, but perhaps not of the same person; there are a lot of people who talk like that and I struggle to tell the difference between them.

A tip: since you identified a connection that wasn't there, be slightly more wary to make connections in future – though not much more wary, because this is only one failure, and you'd be silly to aim for a 0% false positive rate. Perhaps write them down, or use something like PredictionBook to help calibrate your certainty.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I thought it was only coincidental that you'd reached out, and I was careful to be clear about that among other things. Perhaps I should have said more about how you never seemed malicious, despite often being wrong and/or confused/confusing and/or irritating.

I'm already wary and that's why noticed the connection that wasn't there - thought it was curious. I did nothing wrong and I will continue to call it out as I see it. I happy my suspicions of your innocence are verified and part of that other theory can be put aside.

I haven't seen LessWrong since you were here, good stuff. I won't need PredictionBook.