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[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

fried food

[–]guest75 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I would like to see this map overlaid with popularity of fried food & sweet tea by state

[–]Clevergirl42 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh yes. Food preferences has a lot to do with this combined with weather trends. The areas with the highest life expectancy eat healthy and have good weather so they can go outside year round. Except NY. Idk what's going on there.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I was thinking it might have to do with black people having a shorter lifespan. The maps match up:

But you might be right, it may be diet-related. It's probably a whole bunch of factors

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Shorter lifespan because of economic Injustice.
Eating garbage food with zero healthcare or economic stability.

The economic situation is to this day so bad, that in recent year the avg life expectancy for white males has declined.
For the first time in Western history; absent of a war.

And it's definitely worse for the African American community. The ethnic/economic heat maps will definitely overlay 1:1.

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Interestingly though, Asian-Americans are expected to live a whole EIGHT years longer than American whites:,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's not altogether surprising. But the average +10% extra lifespan is higher than I would have guessed.

I can imagine at a couple of factors that affect this.

  • Closer knit social networks (also more insular communities)
  • An increased social expectation of elder care by their family (even to extended family)
  • Shorter average height (this is a longevity asset; tall people rarely live to see 90)
  • Most of my Asian friends and their families cook from scratch on a regular basis (Asian food (not american food they buy hotdogs, burgers, and buns etc. like everyone else)

I'm not sure about the extent of correlation vs. causality.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Former slavery states.

TX, VG, and FL are the only former slave states in yellow.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

So, they are still emotionally and morally affected from the days of slavery which increases stress and lowers the mean lfe expectancy?

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

That whole war over slavery is a modern myth. The north had slaves after the south didn't. It was a War of Norther Aggression to keep them from seceding and to centralize all power.

Most of the people who fought and died in that war didn't have slaves or care to protect its systemic use.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

The civil war was definitely about slavery.

A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

There were many other interests with their own agendas. Regardless, bslavery had primacy.

Most other confed states secession docs mention the importance of slavery there economy; but had a sense of history with an understanding of how statements about slavery might appear in the future.

Mississippi DGAF!.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It wasn't all about it. That's FAAAAAR too simplistic and naive. If anything simplistic it was more about retaining dominance and control.

Think about it. "I'm going to kill you to make you free." It doesn't make any sense then and it doesn't make any sense when they say that shit now, in Iraq, Syria, Venezuela, or anywhere. The Civil War was not civil.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Well the honest folks of Mississippi clearly state otherwise.

It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.

It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.

It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.

It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact, which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.

It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.

Also, the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments were ratified after the war

They are called Reconstruction Amendments (13, 14, & 15) and they protect citizens from the government of the states.

This group of Amendments are referred to as the "Reconstruction Amendments," as they were adopted in the aftermath of the United States Civil War. These amendments were monumental, because where the Bill of Rights protected the people from the federal government, Amendments 13, 14, and 15 protected them from the government of their states.

Three amendments concerning slavery and human rights after the civil war.

Zero amendments concerning anything else after the final war.

That's a 20% increase is not an oversimplification.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You can cite anything to make a point.

Do you thing the American people want a giant Prison Industrial Complex?

Do you thing the American people want countless endless wars?

Do you thing the American media and politicians back then were more trustworthy?

Of course slavery was not good and some people wanted it another way.

Of course there were deeper broader contexts for events.

As I said before the North kept their slaves longer than the South. The North was and is OFTEN much worse than the South regarding racism, unfairness, systemic inequality, etc. Ohio and Michigan were BAD. Some say Detroit, Michigan is a chocolate town, like Atlanta, but on many fronts it's worse through history. To this day Flint, and countless other cities across the US have poisoned water. This is not by accident.

I can't believe you believe the propaganda.

The government will protect you from the government.

Ya, right.

Come on man, think. For yourself.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As I said before the North kept their slaves longer than the South.


The North was and is OFTEN much worse than the South regarding racism, unfairness, systemic inequality, etc.

I agree that things were/are bad in the North, and as bad in many regards.

But worse than slavery?

Worse how, exactly? Please provide specifics, cause being a slave always seemed like misfortune-bedrock to me. What could be worse?

Gettingg whipped/murdered, or having your children sold off, etc.; by someone who claims to legally own you. How does it get worse than that.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)


I don't have one handy. Doesn't mean I'm wrong. And I'm not interested in pursuing this further beyond this comment. Sorry, I'm just not.

There is a terrible history of the KKK centered in Ohio and spread around the North, though this was more after the War Of Northern Aggression. Being a living slave may have been worse than getting killed. Maybe not. I guess it depends on a case by case basis. Granted not everyone was killed or enslaved. But there's a difference between being a free target and a property slave - the latter has "value" and would be protected and fed.

Before, during, and after the Civil War a LOT of Black folks came to Southern Ontario. They even had a whole town near the small city of Chatham. Even though Windsor has the mildest winters in Canada, I can tell you it still gets cold. And back then no one wanted to feed, house, or deal with the Black folks, much less even give them jobs. So they were stuck between a rock and a hard cold hungry place. Many were sold a story of freedom. They weren't told about the rejection, starvation, weather, and other problems, including violence.

I don't know which is worse overall. If you keep your head down, shut up and do your work, maybe your life isn't as bad as a slave. Maybe not. I suspect every case is as different as every master. I also suspect there were greater trends too.

I've been working on several projects for years. Two of them, plus their development management, I recently started as restricted subs here - plus one sub to discuss the content published in those three. These are huge and I want to focus all my efforts on them as I think they're more important to society than my several other screenplays and projects, though they also have their lessons.

One of these other projects is called "The Rendezvous". It was an old roadhouse that I lived down the road from, here in Windsor, Ontario, across the lake from Detroit. It has a deep rich history surrounding it. My completely fictional screenplay focuses on 3 generations of a Black family that worked in and around The Rendezvous. I'm also borrowing and embedding a lot of real history from the region, its history, and similar establishments. My story covers rum-running, the Purple Gang, the Detroit Riot of 1943, MoTown, and the Riot of 1967. I've also created back histories that covers some of what I mentioned above, though they may only come up in passing or in the background (ie. set decoration, or character context).

In many ways I should follow this one up sooner because all the boomers and older are kicking the bucket and their views will be lost forever soon. But while this story has some good stuff in it, I don't think it's as important as my these ones. Nor is it hard history, so I'm not critically worried about the details so much as the characters and the different way of life back then.

Further, I have it outlined, but I need to do more historical research into the 1943 riot to better integrate it. It is suppressed history. WWII had lots of white guys facing hell in Europe. Meanwhile the Black folks at home were facing hell in the factories. Massive exploitation, abuses, and repression lead to the unrest and lives lost.

The TV series Boardwalk Empire came on the scene it kinda inspired me and took away my thunder in many ways. My story is not focused on the gangsters as most movies are. The fact is it was just a part of a very life and time for everyone in this area 100 years ago, mostly forgotten.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I think that the slave Masters didn't think much higher of the common white folks.

Plus there's a slave labor/ slave oppression culture which benefits the wealthy.

It's used to drive down wages, create tension, and divide/conquer.
The local white community is also victimised by this.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Slaves is not the reason.

The US Constitution forbids slavery - except in prisons.

There's lots of "reasons" why the USA has the biggest slave prison population in the world.