The two blue regions on this map of Ukraine recently declared independence, which was recognized by Russia on Monday. Then Russian missile strikes in to these areas began today, to overthrow the Ukrainian government and military in those areas

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[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

This is Russia's justification for the action. They've also said there is no boots on the ground, so it's not technically an invasion.

If you look at a map of Ukrane's ethnic regions, you can see these eastern regions (and Crimea) are the most Russian areas of Ukraine: https://i2.wp.com/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Russians_Ukraine_2001.PNG/640px-Russians_Ukraine_2001.PNG

So Russia is trying to annex these states, it seems, now that these regions have "declared independence" through Russia. But obviously the Ukrainian government doesn't want this, and didn't recognize the claim to independence apparently. It's being framed as them "declaring independence" but I don't see how this is the case if they belong to Russia. Russia is just annexing them. The idea they are going to be "independent" is an absolute misnomer if Russia is just running their governments.

So now in those dark blue regions of the OP map, it's basically Russia-annxers vs the people who want to remain with Ukraine's Federal Govt (vs the people who want to remain independent from both, but I'm guessing their army is too small).

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Not only are there boots on the ground, tanks rolling across the boarder and even paratroopers dropping from the sky, the Russians have now started hitting apartment blocks with missiles in Kharkiv, the second biggest city.

I know you might like your anti-west conspiracy theories but there are real people being killed and maimed now, most of whom have nothing to do with being pro-Russian/Ukraine/independence. The same as everywhere, the people who are most loud politically are a small minority compared to the people who just want to get on with their lives.

[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Now that has become clear and I agree, a few hours ago that was not clear. I haven't seen paratroopers, but I have seen the tanks. I've also seen police escorting old people with lots of blood on them, out of blown-out apartment buildings that are barely still standing. I didn't see that two hours ago, but now I have.

[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Just saw reports of 18 deaths from one of the shelling/bombing/missile attacks by russia

[–]BravoVictor 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's understandable. Whether they're independent or vote to join Russia or just get annexed by Russia, the one thing we know is that those areas are overwhelmingly ethnically Russian, and have faced harassment from Kiev for years and it's largely been the locals fighting. Not Russian troops.

Kiev's been conducting a hot war and economic war against the east for years.

https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=21730

"Among the causes, a cumbersome verification procedure introduced in 2016 deprived more than 400,000 citizens of Ukraine of their pensions."

i.e. Ukrainians, who worked for the government in Kiev for years, were just financially cut off unless they moved out of the Donbass region. It's hard to argue Donbass is part of Ukraine when Kiev treats it like a foreign country, and the bulk of civilian deaths have occurred there at the hands of the Kiev military.

https://www.crisisgroup.org/content/conflict-ukraines-donbas-visual-explainer

[–]On-Point 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not Russian troops.

Bullshit.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

But apparently Russia also exploded missiles in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine, which is in the middle, and not near the east part.

So it seems their intent is to take the whole country, not just support the separatist regions... unless this was a limited strike to disable their military. But the Russian stock market just lost 45%, so it's likely they're all-in on the Ukraine attack.

[–]Zapped 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I can't remember the user here that called this. He laid out specifically what Russia was going to do, pretty much step-by-step and some other users here scoffed at him. I can't find the post now.

[–]On-Point 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Kyiv.

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    [–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Well, Russia "assisted" them to declare "independence". But in reality they're basically being annexed by Russia. And some people there want that, about 50% in the Donbas areas.