Map of All Federally-Owned Land in the US

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[–]Tom_Bombadil 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (34 children)

Map of All Indigenous People's Federally-Owned Land in the US.

This alleged federally owned land is land that was promised to natives through internationally recognized treaties.

The federal govt is constitutionality prohibited from owning land within any state.

Another legacy of the US's original sin.

[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Suddenly I understand Roosevelt's move to create lots of federal parks

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

I was literally going to say as soon as I saw the thumbnail, the use of red and style of shading in this “map” to mark Federal Land, literally looks like blood splatters of where the Native American tribes were across the US.

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    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

    You are Native and you are Christian?

    [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

    Yes. Do you have a problem with that? Is it causing your small, Marxist brain to short circuit?

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

    I just asked a question.

    Do you really think you know me well enough to say that I'm a Marxist?

    [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    No, you're right. I apologize for assuming you were a Marxist. As it turns out you're just stupid and can't grasp the concept of a human who just happens to be Native American embracing a faith that works well for me. Does that really blown your little mind that much?

    How much would it blow your mind to know that the vast majority of East Coast Native Americans are actually Catholic and that a large proportion of Cherokee and Lanapee people are JEWISH? Are you done having your small, closed mind blown yet? If not I have plenty more stuff to broaden that tiny world view of yours.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

    I literally just asked a question. Believe it or not I am close friends with a missionary who goes to various reservations to help them with their churches. I have little issue with either Natives or Christians, although I find both groups to be rather defeatist and negative in their base philosophies. They aren't the only I think are negative, and they have more positive to be found than most, to be fair. Slow your roll. I asked a question.

    [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    Oh... So, you're "close friends" of... Still, have you ever been to a reservation? Do you know any native people?

    "I have little issue with either Natives or Christians, although I find both groups to be rather defeatist and negative in their base philosophies."

    And yet, here you are, living in a nation that, historically, has been the most prosperous, most successful and freest of all nations in history because of (not in spite of) the very Judaeo-Christian "philosophies" that you somehow decided were "defeatist." The simple truth is that defeatist, negative philosophies don't produce successful nations full of successful people so that negates your supposition that those philosophies are "defeatist and negative."

    Yes, the United States has had it's share of idiot "leaders" who made horrible mistakes and even committed more than a few atrocities but name one nation in history that hasn't done that? Also, name one nation in history that has worked harder than the United States to correct those mistakes and live up to the promises and ideals of its Constitution?

    I was young during the Civil Rights Era and I saw ONE MAN inspire and incite an entire nation to a kind of amazing greatness that young people can't even imagine, today. Did he use guns? Did he riot in the streets? Did he say "Defund the Police"? or block freeways and roads? No. He led all black people with true courage and strength the likes of which isn't seen, anymore. That man was Dr Martin Luther King (a name which, shamefully, is almost never heard, anymore) and his leadership inspired all of America to live up to its promises and do great things. What motivated him? He was a Christian Minister who truly believed in what he preached. No hypocrite, he lived by the very words he preached to others.

    Those days are long gone but it is my great good hope that another like Dr King will rise up in this great time of need and inspire us all to true greatness once again.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

    I said "in their base philosophies". I have indeed met Natives, many of them, and I have been on a reservation, albeit very briefly for it wasn't a friendly one for white-looking folks.

    You, sir, have knee-jerk reactions to everything. I will engage with your tom-foolery no longer.

    [–]madcow-5 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    All of it?

    Also, why is immigration and open borders some great thing, until we talk about Native Americans?

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

    why is immigration and open borders some great thing, until we talk about Native Americans?

    Native Americans have a legitimate right to their land, and that's difficult to sweep under the rug.

    Although, it could be a practical way to delegitimize certain federal and state activity.

    It would be a surprise if they weren't violating these agreements in significant aspects.

    Native activists should create common law courts and prosecute offenders.

    Common law cases can be used as precedent in the admiralty courts.

    [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    Are you Native American? Did you grow up on a Reservation or in a Native American household? Were your parents Native American? Are you assuming to speak for Native America or are you just positing your own opinions and assuming we should just accept them as fact?

    It's obvious to me that you don't know any Native Americans (or First Nation People as they're called, now) because, if you did, you wouldn't presume to insult and disrespect any of the First Nation people of this continent by presuming to know who and what we are and what we 'need to do' since you obviously don't know a damn thing! So, with that said, I strongly suggest you stop coming off like some brain-dead, arrogant, egotistical know-it-all Liberal who has the nerve to presume to know what's good for people you don't even know!

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    I have heard many different views concerning what to do about the American tyranny coming from many different Natives.

    How dare you try to speak for all Natives?

    [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    And, I'm not surprised in the least that you knee-jerk reacted just like I expected you would, just like any other Supremacist Liberal who thinks they're better than everyone else and who, in their arrogance, has the gall to presume that they know what's good for everyone else.

    Consider this before you throw another hissy fit at me: "What works for you could easily kill someone else." I bet you never considered that? But, then, literally millions of people all over the world have had their nations, their cultures and even their very lives ruined and destroyed by presumptuous little twits like you who "knew what was good for those people."

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

    I know for a fact Jews and Christians played a pivotal role in the destruction of the First Peoples. How does it feel to be assimilated?

    Ask the people who helped do it to you, the Scots and Irish. It sucks. You worship their God, and you go to their courts, speak their language, and boom! You are tied up in a legal system that views you as an expense. You, sir, are a time-suck of a user.

    [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Huh... Grasping at straws now, are you? and how do you "know for a fact"? Yep! Your presumptuous, know it all arrogant "I know what's good for you" attitude is the very thing that'll get your ass beat at any reservation you go to just as soon as you open your mouth and say something stupid like, "I know for a fact."

    Considering that my people have preserved and maintained our traditions and culture to a very great extent and work hard to continue that, I don't consider my "assimilation" any big deal since my "assimilation" is superficial at best.

    "Ask the people who helped do it to you, the Scots and Irish. It sucks. You worship their God, and you go to their courts, speak their language, and boom! You are tied up in a legal system that views you as an expense. You, sir, are a time-suck of a user."

    Wow, look at you! perfect and utterly faultless in every way, aren't you? I suppose you can be glad that no one will ever accuse you of ever having even the slightest bit of humility. You can't disprove what I said so, being the typical snowflake that you are, you try to goad me with insults, degradation and belittlement. Again, this is why Liberals like you are hated and always get your asses kicked on reservations because you come off like some kind of pompous Englishman talking to an African Native in the bush. Hey, whatever. Just keep it up and eventually you're going to find yourself with a very large knife between your ribs put there by a HUMAN BEING who will not put up with your pompous, know-it-all, arrogant shit.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    "Considering that my people have preserved and maintained our traditions and culture to a very great extent and work hard to continue that, I don't consider my "assimilation" any big deal since my "assimilation" is superficial at best."

    You are Christian, dude. You worship a Hebrew man who preached about a Hebrew god. How is that a "superficial assimilation"?

    I have no interest in going to a reservation. My interests are in leaving this hell-hole of a place, as my ancestors should've done after a single generation of being here.

    [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    And what will you do in your new home? turn it into the very same kind of hell hole that you left? Also, I am a Christian and I'm happy, proud and pleased to be one since My Lord and Christianity have done far more for me in my life than you could ever possibly understand in your microscopic and very limited "world" view. (more like the view of a frog looking at the sky from the bottom of a deep well.) It would be a tremendous kindness to you if life, itself, so thoroughly kicked your ass and beat you down so hard that it entirely shattered and destroyed that enormous ego of yours and you were brought down to your right and proper size so you could finally see yourself as you really, truly are and shudder and scream in the sheer agony of that moment of absolute clarity.

    [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I always laugh hard at young people who say "I know for a fact." I laugh because only those who were there and who actually witnessed it first hand can actually claim that for any historical event and not come off sounding stupid. So, you were there to witness "Jews and Christians playing a pivotal role in the destruction of First Nation people"? Wow, you must be thousands of years old! Nah, you're not. You're just another pompous, anti-social incel misanthrope talking shit on social media trying to impress me with what you think is your own "greatness." Hey, if this board is still here in about ten years or so come back and read your posts and cringe hard when you read your stuff and realize how stupid you are right now.

    More than anything else I'm reading an awful lot of hatred, self loathing and even jealousy in your post. Mostly hate, though. How sad you've been indoctrinated and programmed (like a mindless machine) to hate the country where you can wear 150 dollar sneakers while you text on a thousand dollar cell phone while sipping on a nice, hot seven dollar cup of coffee, (all of which is bought by your hard-working and very disappointed parents, of course. I mean, I'm sure you believe that you'll never reduce yourself to being a horrible little "wage slave".) Oh, my! What a horrible, hellish country we all live in, huh? ;)

    [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Okay, since you're so interested in talking about America's sins let's talk about America's first slave owners. Incidentally, they were black, not white.

    https://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm

    In B4 "fake news" or "propaganda" or anything else you could say. This is true and you can't change that.

    [–]slushpilot 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

    Wow. So these are all the places you now have to wear a mask outdoors at all times on pain of federal crime?

    [–]wahala 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    No. We will be on federal lands in later March and this will not be required of us.

    [–]slushpilot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    This executive action will direct the agencies to take action to require compliance with CDC guidance on mask-wearing and physical distancing in federal buildings, on federal lands, and by federal employees and contractors

    I don't know, I'm just reading what it says. Pretty ridiculous if they want to make you wear masks in the backcountry though.

    [–]wahala 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'll be deep in backcountry. They'll never find me.

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Actually, they're places where the federal laws shouldn't apply.

    I'm not sure how they function in reality.

    [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

    I feel like something is being censored here: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Map+of+Canada+Crown+Land&iar=images

    It might be time to compile the data and make the first Map Of Canada's Crown Land. (Most of it.)

    [–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    damn. that is pretty nuts. All those maps and I can't find a one of the whole country. All are just regional.

    [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    And those regional maps aren't so clear and simple as the black & white & red OP map. I'm sure they're useful for stuff, but you'd think there'd be at least one fucking crown land map.

    [–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Yea.. you're right.. just doesn't seem plausible to think that could happen accidentally.

    But with that in mind.. if they wanted people to not think about it you would think they'd call it something else rather than "crown land".

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    If I felt better I'd already be working on it.

    I don't recall specifics, but I feel like they've tried rebranding some of that. I just know it as "crown land" from the 80s and 90s when I went camping up north, in Muskoka and beyond.

    [–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    The density of red on the west side is pretty wild imo. Thanks to /u/whistlepig for finding the map

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    whether federal or not the govt owns all land if we have to pay property taxes on it

    [–]Pononimus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The map is from 2005 so it's sixteen years out of date. The amount of land seized by the Federal Government is more than that, now. Also not listed is all of the land and structures which were previously commercial properties which were bought up by or seized by the Federal government and nationalized (made into Government property.)

    [–]GaiusHelenMohiam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You can see the Union Pacific RR running through Nevada and Wyoming.