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[–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

REPAROYSHUNS!!

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

They're always after ye lucky charms.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Fifty times a week: "Nobody every mentions the FORGOTTEN WHITE SLAVES!!!"

"Hundreds of thousands" you say? That's amazing, when you consider that the total number of Irish migrants, both voluntary and involuntary, to the Americans and the Caribbean, was only about 165,000. The tens of millions of African slaves are not impressed by your maths skills.

The Irish transportees were convicts, indentured servants and labourers, not chattel slaves, so they got their freedom back after some years. And their children were born free. They were never property. They did not have owners. They could not be legally murdered by their masters. They still had rights.

The Irish, in particular, have been treated pretty awfully by the British. But the horrors of Irish servitude are to chattel slavery what a punch up down the pub is to World War Two.

[–]DirewolfGhost 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Minimizing "white" suffering again. You're a disgusting racist oppressor.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm not minimizing anything, snowflake. You won't win Oppression Olympics medals from me by exaggerating the sufferings of the Irish.

On a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is "having to clean your room and take the trash out" and 10 is "having to listen to Cardi B songs", indentured servitude is a 6 and chattel slavery 11.

[–]DirewolfGhost 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How dare you call me snowflake! That's a racial slur, you bigot!

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Being called a snowflake isn't an attack on your race, it is an attack on your character, you ignorant snowflake.

[–]DirewolfGhost 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And now you're using that MLK measuring stick of character as a way to judge value! He's a cancelled uncle Tom! You're such a bigot! (This is called trolling. Yes it is in my character to troll. Keep up.)

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also many British convicts got the same treatment.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Fun fact: only 5% of the transatlantic slave trade went to America.

5%

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Fun fact: only 5% of the transatlantic slave trade went to America.

Indeed.

In the modern era, since the Middle Ages, we have had approximately:

  • 1 million west Europeans sold into chattel slavery;
  • about 12 million African chattel slaves going to the Americas and the Caribbean;
  • including about 400,000 to the USA;
  • but not including a few million more who died during the sea voyages and brutal "seasoning camps";
  • and around 15-20 million African slaves in the trans-Sahara and trans-Indian Ocean slave trades.

Of all the forms of Man's inhumanity to Man, slavery is one of the most common in history. While it is true that almost all peoples have, at one time or another, been the victim of slavery, it has been especially a blight on Africans.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It was blight on Europe for centuries as the Muslim states of Africa regularly raided towns and took slaves. But you'll never hear about that one, becuase it doesn't support "the correct narrative".

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It was blight on Europe for centuries as the Muslim states of Africa regularly raided towns and took slaves.

You forgot to mention the European slaves taken by other Europeans. E.g. Viking thralls, Rus and Khazar slave trading, etc. They outnumbered the ones taken by Muslims by a factor of 5 or 10.

But you'll never hear about that one

Speak for yourself.

There are considerable differences between the slave trade in Europeans by the Ottomans and North Africans, and the slave trading of the Africans by Europeans. Two important differences:

First, the volume of slave trading in Europe was big, but the volume of slave trading in Africa was even bigger, so big that it completely corrupted the entire continent. African kingdoms converted to full time warfare in order to steal enough slaves to meet European and Arab demand. Nothing even close to that occurred in Europe.

Essentially, Muslim slave raids on Europe was, in the Big Picture, a minor annoyance to Europe. As cruel as it was to individuals, it was not an existential threat and certainly didn't retard Europe's development into the modern industrial world. But the slave trade in Africa changed the whole direction of African civilisation. In the Middle Ages, African kingdoms were every bit as advanced and modern as their European counterparts. When Portuguese traders arrived in the capital of Benin in the 15th century, they found a city every bit as big and advanced as Lisbon. But over the next few centuries, African nations moved into a constant war and plunder economy to provide the slaves taken by Europe and the Americas.

It was a very bad deal. It allowed Europe and the USA to industrialise, on the backs of slaves, while Africa not just stagnated but went backwards, finally becoming easy pickings by the 19th century and the Scramble For Africa.

Secondly, European slaves owned by Muslims sometimes (not always) had opportunity to become rich, powerful and even reclaim their freedom. African slaves in the USA never had that opportunity, especially not in the 19th century when the slave states passed laws prohibiting owners from freeing slaves, or teaching them to read and write.

The Barbary corsair raids on western Europe were, of course, terrible for the people involved. But under Muslim rule, some European slaves went on to have money and power, for instance Helen Gloag became empress of Morocco, and the Janissary slave-soldiers were honoured, paid very well, and had money, influence and power. At some points in Ottoman history the Janissary slaves were effectively king-makers, they could appoint or overthrow Sultans. Under the Ottoman system, slaves had great personal power. The slave Sokollu Mehmed Pasha, a stolen Bosnian Serb, became Grand Vizier and effectively the most powerful man in the empire.

Nothing like this was possible in the American slavery system.

African slaves under the American chattel slave system were never paid for their work. They had no money or personal possessions beyond whatever trinkets their masters might give them, and even then they had no legal right of ownership. No slave became rich, powerful or influential under the American chattel slavery system. While house slaves might have some limited power within their master's household, they had no power over whites and certainly no political power. Can you imagine a Negro slave of 1830 appointing the President of the United Slaves? Sally Hemings might have borne Thomas Jefferson's children, but neither she nor the children were given any official standing or acknowledgement.

There was no black slave in America who became First Lady, or who came even close to the wealth and power of Sokollu Mehmed Pasha.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Two important differences:

You can just say white people are bad. The baddest bad that ever was, and they deserve to be exterminated for it, because their continued existence is a deadly threat to Jews everywhere. You don't have to waste so much time writing.

[–]Nasser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You aren't winning this argument man.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

WHITES BAD

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can just say white people are bad.

Why would I single out white people? All people are bad. Black, white, yellow, red, pink, brown, purple poka-dot, all of them.

You don't have to waste so much time writing.

Learning facts is never a waste of time. You ought to try it occasionally.

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Québécois are almost the exact same in Canada, with the exception that my ancestors got enslaved as 2nd rate citizenry by the English Canadians as a result of war and they never stopped pouring hatred and prejudice on us.