How Homosexuality harms Civilizations, Ibn Khaldun

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[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I don't see how you can claim it is rare when so many soldiers come back and say it is normal there. Aparently there is a saying that girls are for marriage and boys are for fun.

In any case you could say homosexuality is also rare. How is rare pedophilia better that rare homosexuality?

And how can you say that sexual degeneracy is a symptom of opulance when it happens in the shitiest places on earth?

[–]EternalSunset[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Unchecked degeneracy is a symptom of hedonistic societies. Humans are descendant from monkeys and there is a lot of bad tendencies in our nature, I never denied any of this, the point is that traditional and non-decadent societies are able to keep the more decadent traits at bay. Yeah, the boy fucking thing is awful and decadent and disgusting, but I don't buy that it's as common as you are trying to portrait it, specially outside of Afghanistan, specially from claims of soldier whose job was to occupy the country and fight against those people.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

non-decadent societies are able to keep the more decadent traits at bay.

Scientists discover that when things are kept from happening they don't happen. More at 9.

This discovery contradicts the previously held belief that a cycle of growth and collapse is inevitable. One must ask again, if the cycle can be broken why not break it at the top?

How much hedonism is the right amount of hedonism and why?

If homosexuality is the tipping point why are anti gay societies so much more shit?

[–]EternalSunset[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Every story that starts with tolerance has a way of progressing into forced acceptance, normalization and eventually into an reversal of values. Homosexuality leads into more decadent militancy until traditional morality becomes a pariah in the very society it used to order. Voices calling for a return to tradition or even for moderation start being silenced like they are now in the West, after that it become very difficult to bring a civilization back to it's founding principles.

If homosexuality is the tipping point why are anti gay societies so much more shit?

If you go to East Asia every single society there is anti gay and they are arguably some of the most advanced societies in the world. Singapore has double the GDP per capita than it's former colonial master the UK and their crime rates are near 0. Ask them what they think about homosexuality.