How Homosexuality harms Civilizations, Ibn Khaldun

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[–]Canbot 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

They say that homosexuality only happens in cities where everyone's needs are met. Yet it is in the baren lands of the middle east that men fucking boys is socially acceptable. They don't consider it gay until it is two hairy men doing it. That reveals that they aren't trully concerned about any intelectually derived objection, rather they are driven by thier feelings of disgust. Men sexually disgust them, and the thought of two men being intimate disgusts them and that is what they act on.

[–]EternalSunset[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Yet it is in the baren lands of the middle east that men fucking boys is socially acceptable.

This only used to happen in some places of Afghanistan (before the Taliban took back the country) and mostly because they saw it as an acceptable alternative to female prostitution (which is retarded, but at least you can see the logic that they didn't set out to fuck boys from the start).

[–]Canbot 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

That's obviously not true because it was prevelant in Iraq too. There were incidents where a boy was shot by an Iraqi "policeman" on one of the US owned bases for not allowing the man to fuck him, and another where a boy was chained to the police chief's bed and the US soldiers were told to look the other way.

There are many soldiers who came back from there that said they were told to allow it because it is thier culture.

There is also a documentary about bacha bazi in pakistan.

[–]EternalSunset[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

It's an old practice from the persians and it happens in some rare cases on those other countries too. I honestly doubt it happened too much under sunni rule by Saddam Hussein, but the US overthrew him and then started working with some of the worst elements of the shia to rule the country, hence the reason why the soldiers were told to be quiet about it (the same thing happened in Afghanistan as well).

There is also a documentary about bacha bazi in pakistan.

There is a very large population of Pashto people who live in Pakistan, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's just the same people doing the same thing.

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I don't see how you can claim it is rare when so many soldiers come back and say it is normal there. Aparently there is a saying that girls are for marriage and boys are for fun.

In any case you could say homosexuality is also rare. How is rare pedophilia better that rare homosexuality?

And how can you say that sexual degeneracy is a symptom of opulance when it happens in the shitiest places on earth?

[–]EternalSunset[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Unchecked degeneracy is a symptom of hedonistic societies. Humans are descendant from monkeys and there is a lot of bad tendencies in our nature, I never denied any of this, the point is that traditional and non-decadent societies are able to keep the more decadent traits at bay. Yeah, the boy fucking thing is awful and decadent and disgusting, but I don't buy that it's as common as you are trying to portrait it, specially outside of Afghanistan, specially from claims of soldier whose job was to occupy the country and fight against those people.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

non-decadent societies are able to keep the more decadent traits at bay.

Scientists discover that when things are kept from happening they don't happen. More at 9.

This discovery contradicts the previously held belief that a cycle of growth and collapse is inevitable. One must ask again, if the cycle can be broken why not break it at the top?

How much hedonism is the right amount of hedonism and why?

If homosexuality is the tipping point why are anti gay societies so much more shit?

[–]EternalSunset[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Every story that starts with tolerance has a way of progressing into forced acceptance, normalization and eventually into an reversal of values. Homosexuality leads into more decadent militancy until traditional morality becomes a pariah in the very society it used to order. Voices calling for a return to tradition or even for moderation start being silenced like they are now in the West, after that it become very difficult to bring a civilization back to it's founding principles.

If homosexuality is the tipping point why are anti gay societies so much more shit?

If you go to East Asia every single society there is anti gay and they are arguably some of the most advanced societies in the world. Singapore has double the GDP per capita than it's former colonial master the UK and their crime rates are near 0. Ask them what they think about homosexuality.

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    [–]EternalSunset[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Motherfucker learn some reading comprehension. The very post you are quoting is explaining why the wrong argument you are making is wrong. Sick people wanting to do degenerate shit are everywhere, but tolerating and forcing the acceptance of this bullshit is a uniquely decadent feature.

    [–]at_finn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Technically we are descended from apes not monkeys.