How Homosexuality harms Civilizations, Ibn Khaldun

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[–]Canbot 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (36 children)

They say that homosexuality only happens in cities where everyone's needs are met. Yet it is in the baren lands of the middle east that men fucking boys is socially acceptable. They don't consider it gay until it is two hairy men doing it. That reveals that they aren't trully concerned about any intelectually derived objection, rather they are driven by thier feelings of disgust. Men sexually disgust them, and the thought of two men being intimate disgusts them and that is what they act on.

[–]Newzok 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Boing. It's a very weird hypocrisy there. Suppose it's really about maintaining the social norm of marriage etc which preserves wealth within families, which might get difficult if you have it as a lifestyle rather than on the dl with boys. But eh.

[–]jet199 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

There's a certain sadism, power and humiliation which goes with raping boys as well. Likely you have to come from a powerful family to be the one doing the raping rather than being raped.

[–]Newzok 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm not sure about that. An asian friend of mine has expressed that the "women are for marriage, boys are for pleasure" mindset is very common in Muslim countries.

[–]jet199 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

And what pleasure do you think a grown man gets from anally raping a young boy?

And what do you think happens to those boys when they grow up with all that trauma?

Give your head a wobble.

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    [–]Canbot 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

    I don't buy that. Women become sluts.

    Not only that, but the mouse utopia experiments also created gay mice. And mice don't have economic dependency.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

    I was under the impression that the mouse utopia experiments caused mice to lose interest in fighting and sex, instead just eating and sleeping in relative calm, thus why they were referred to as the 'beautiful ones' by the researchers for having less injuries etc.

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      [–]Alphix 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      The reason why is that sensitive, caring men are hesitant to make advances with the idea that they might be perceived as presumptuous or some other aspect of rudeness. This lowers their vital energy signature in the moment, rendering them less interesting to the female, who without knowing or understanding this, perceives this energy.

      The vulgar thuggish ones don't give a fuck. His vital energy signature remains high, and the slut's instincts tell her this is a REAL MAN, with juices flowing to her crotch.

      Of course the level of consciousness of most people is too low to see and understand this, but such is what happens. The invisible is much more present than we think.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

      Chicks always go for the alpha, we're animals after all. I mean I think the term beautiful ones probably just referred to them being unharmed by what would be behaviour they normally engage in, as a result of them having all basic needs catered for they become docile and asexual. The equal opposite is where no needs are met and the mice are offered cocaine, and the rat would take the cocaine until it overdoses and dies.

      It could be that the city life leads to homosexuality and sexual deviancy due to these reasons, or it could be other contributing factors. We see many mental health issues rise in cities compared to smaller towns, we just aren't evolved to be around noise, lights and high density populations 24/7. Or it could just be more prevailing due to the fact that there are more people in a small space to account for a greater statistic.

      It's worth noting though that when badgers are culled in the UK to reduce tuberculosis, badger populations dramatically bounce back soon after. In high population animal groups, mating will stabilise or reduce, this perhaps why Europeans are not breeding as much these days, they are densely populated.

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        [–]superbug 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        u/clownowski is a numale meterosexual

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

        I'm a woman, dumbass

        [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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          [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          (((Woman)))

          [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Satanic energy flow.

          [–]superbug 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          u/jet199 never does

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Beta male simps.

          [–]superbug 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Single mothers are wonderful aren't they?

          [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          thus why they were referred to as the 'beautiful ones' by the researchers for having less injuries etc.

          Lol, that sounds like something a woke professor made up to discredit comparisons to homosexual behaviour.

          There was no fighting from the beginning. After a few generations the mice do stop showing interest in females and obsessively groom themselves.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Ah, probably.

          [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          More on this please? This is an interesting topic.

          [–]EternalSunset[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

          Yet it is in the baren lands of the middle east that men fucking boys is socially acceptable.

          This only used to happen in some places of Afghanistan (before the Taliban took back the country) and mostly because they saw it as an acceptable alternative to female prostitution (which is retarded, but at least you can see the logic that they didn't set out to fuck boys from the start).

          [–]Canbot 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

          That's obviously not true because it was prevelant in Iraq too. There were incidents where a boy was shot by an Iraqi "policeman" on one of the US owned bases for not allowing the man to fuck him, and another where a boy was chained to the police chief's bed and the US soldiers were told to look the other way.

          There are many soldiers who came back from there that said they were told to allow it because it is thier culture.

          There is also a documentary about bacha bazi in pakistan.

          [–]EternalSunset[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

          It's an old practice from the persians and it happens in some rare cases on those other countries too. I honestly doubt it happened too much under sunni rule by Saddam Hussein, but the US overthrew him and then started working with some of the worst elements of the shia to rule the country, hence the reason why the soldiers were told to be quiet about it (the same thing happened in Afghanistan as well).

          There is also a documentary about bacha bazi in pakistan.

          There is a very large population of Pashto people who live in Pakistan, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's just the same people doing the same thing.

          [–]Canbot 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

          I don't see how you can claim it is rare when so many soldiers come back and say it is normal there. Aparently there is a saying that girls are for marriage and boys are for fun.

          In any case you could say homosexuality is also rare. How is rare pedophilia better that rare homosexuality?

          And how can you say that sexual degeneracy is a symptom of opulance when it happens in the shitiest places on earth?

          [–]EternalSunset[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          Unchecked degeneracy is a symptom of hedonistic societies. Humans are descendant from monkeys and there is a lot of bad tendencies in our nature, I never denied any of this, the point is that traditional and non-decadent societies are able to keep the more decadent traits at bay. Yeah, the boy fucking thing is awful and decadent and disgusting, but I don't buy that it's as common as you are trying to portrait it, specially outside of Afghanistan, specially from claims of soldier whose job was to occupy the country and fight against those people.

          [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          non-decadent societies are able to keep the more decadent traits at bay.

          Scientists discover that when things are kept from happening they don't happen. More at 9.

          This discovery contradicts the previously held belief that a cycle of growth and collapse is inevitable. One must ask again, if the cycle can be broken why not break it at the top?

          How much hedonism is the right amount of hedonism and why?

          If homosexuality is the tipping point why are anti gay societies so much more shit?

          [–]EternalSunset[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Every story that starts with tolerance has a way of progressing into forced acceptance, normalization and eventually into an reversal of values. Homosexuality leads into more decadent militancy until traditional morality becomes a pariah in the very society it used to order. Voices calling for a return to tradition or even for moderation start being silenced like they are now in the West, after that it become very difficult to bring a civilization back to it's founding principles.

          If homosexuality is the tipping point why are anti gay societies so much more shit?

          If you go to East Asia every single society there is anti gay and they are arguably some of the most advanced societies in the world. Singapore has double the GDP per capita than it's former colonial master the UK and their crime rates are near 0. Ask them what they think about homosexuality.

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            [–]EternalSunset[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Motherfucker learn some reading comprehension. The very post you are quoting is explaining why the wrong argument you are making is wrong. Sick people wanting to do degenerate shit are everywhere, but tolerating and forcing the acceptance of this bullshit is a uniquely decadent feature.

            [–]at_finn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Technically we are descended from apes not monkeys.

            [–]Canbot 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

            They compare homosexuality to building better homes, cooking better food, and otherwise leading a better life. How is that social decline. They are contradicting themselves.

            [–]EternalSunset[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

            Ever saw that meme saying 'Hard times create hard men, hard men create good times, good times create soft men.'? It's basically the simplified version of the cyclical civilization theory originally formulated by Ibn Khaldun.

            [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

            If the peak of that cycle is opulence than the goal should be to stop the cycle at the top. Maximize opulence. Embrace the gayness as a natural regulator to run away population growth.

            [–]EternalSunset[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

            Once you have weak men you just get steamrolled by the nearest civilization which still produces more war-like men. This is an actual event that repeated itself dozens of times throughout history; greeks and romans, romans and visigoths, visigoths and moors, the turkic invasions, the mongol invasions, the hum invasions, the timurids, etc... Men exist to be hard, else we wouldn't exist and humans would be hermaphrodites like earthworms.

            [–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

            First off there is a difference between social decline and getting conquered. I understand the relationship, but it is not one and the same.

            And there have always been weak men. No modern society is all chads. So there must be some room for gay men to exist without it becoming a security risk.

            That equation is greatly effected by technology. And in modern warfare there are many positions that even women can do. So you can't really have a mixed sex military but turn around and say it's the gays that make us unprepared. I'm pretty sure the majority of deaths these days come from drone strikes. Those are gay AF.

            [–]EternalSunset[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

            Technology always was a fundamental aspect of warfare even in ancient times. One of the main reasons Alexander the Great was able to conquer so much was due to the immense advantage the sarissa formation had against the common infantry and cavalry formations of the time. Yet having men who are fierce and willing to fight continues to be one of the most important factors in deciding winner of any war. Even a drone operator can become demoralized, a deserter, a traitor or a saboteur. Nobody wants to fight for a country that is decadent and offers them nothing, no man wants to answer a call to arms in order to defend the wife he didn't marry, the children he doesn't have and the home he is renting.

            [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            Yet having men who are fierce and willing to fight continues to be one of the most important factors in deciding winner of any war.

            The sarissa formation required men, the reaper formation does not. A military that has room for women has room for gays. I don't see a natural existential threat in a mixed modern military. Especially since the US regularly routs the most anti gay militaries in the world. Even in muslim countries where gays are thrown from buildings and women cant walk alone the majority of soldiers are cowards who desert thier positions. Courage and honor are not traits conditional on politics.

            I agree that a nuclear family is the strongest unit and necessary for a healthy society, but what you are arguing from is the extreme position of total homosexuality and not making a valid argument from the perspective of modern western society where a minor percentage of people are gay.

            Nobody wants to fight for a country that is decadent and offers them nothing,

            This sentence contradicts itself. A decadent country offers them decadence.

            As for being a serf, that is not a result of homosexuality. The cause of poverty and disenfranchisement are things like the fiat currency, central banking scam, political corruption, media monopoly, etc. Serfdom existed before homosexuality was accepted. While intersectionality exists to divide and conquer and homosexuality is part of that tool set it is wrong to blame homosexuality for that system. That system would exist and oppress just as well without the gays.

            [–]EternalSunset[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            The reaper DOES require men. Drones do not design, engineer, program, assemble, inspect, repair, refuel, rearm, command or operate themselves. The misunderstanding you are making is thinking this is about just raw strength and masculinity, when in reality it is about the fierceness, morale, determination and fighting spirit of men. People who don't believe what they fight for is worth more than their own lives, those people do not fight. The US is a declining power and it is on the path to be challenged by and overcome by China, even the US military itself can foresee and is preparing for this future, this is why they are preparing to go to war with China and prevent this.

            The decadence you say decadent societies offer is a solace not a gift. A synthetic replacement for the real thing that they don't believe you deserve. If they give you pornography, a man's anus, a plastic doll, a VR headset, or a 'gender transition', none of that will ever make it up for the love of a real woman, nor will any of this allow you to ever experience the unconditional love of holding in your arms a son that is truly yours. It's all meant to dull us, in the same vein they would have us take anti-depressants because we can't have joy, eat crickets because we can't have nutrition and own nothing because they are taking everything. We would never slumber and accept such a thing if we weren't kept asleep and unaware of the truth, and this is where you are wrong; they would never get away with this without numbing us through their decadence.

            [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            You'd be surprised. Most people fight to the death blindly.

            [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Just more proof we live in hell.

            [–]Canbot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

            That one guy keeps saying the same thing over and over, it is so frustrating trying to get through this even on 2x speed.

            The only point they made is that homosexuality leads to social decline. But they also said that it is the natural result of opulence, or social success. Thier ideas are very basic.

            If I were there I would ask why they think some people not reproducing in a society with a very high population is bad. Why is that even considered decline. In and of itself it seems to be neither good nor bad and only can be painted as either when there is a very high or very low birth rate.

            [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

            It's instinct.

            [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

            What is?

            [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

            Wanting to increase birth rates as much as possible.

            [–]Canbot 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            It is instinct to kill the competition. That is why step kids are the most abused of any category.

            They also don't encourage homosexuality even in thier enemies.

            [–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

            Nope.

            In humans have been hunter gatherers far longer than civilised and in a hunter gatherer society population growth equals death.

            [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            Which is exactly why there's such a strong instinct to increase birth rates to replace those dead.

            [–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            No, high birth rates cause deaths tribal societies because they rely on the resorces avaliable in their environment and can't make more. Fertility is a negative in those cultures. They do all sorts of things from extended breast-feeding to infanticide to keep the population down.

            Fertility was only celebrated once farming came along because every child was a free labourer. It isn't human instinct to increase the population, that's culture. You can see instinct play out on people's choices in the free-est places, they have 2-3 kids to replace themselves.

            [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Our society is very much built for the farmer-minded. Those who think differently not only struggle, but are considered horrible people.

            [–]Huliver 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

            Homosexuality leads to AIDS and Monkey Pox. Faggots don't know any better than to toe tap in bathrooms to use the Glory Hole.

            [–]aaarrgh 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            but those are only the exterior symptoms of a inner moral and spiritual degeneration

            [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            The fact that these carnal matters are the things you care about proves that you yourself are suffering from moral and spiritual degeneration.

            [–]superbug 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Mm

            [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Only if they have butt sex.

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              [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

              I invented stealthing

              [–]jet199 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

              Assange outed

              [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

              Do you wanna watch me do naked jumping jacks?

              [–]superbug 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              If you said that the government was wiretapping your phone in 1999, everybody would have called you a nutjob.

              Now if you say that the government is wiretapping your phone, no one cares.

              How can Americans sleep at night now or look in a mirror without feeling disgusted and ashamed?

              [–]chottohen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

              Why do you feel "weird" about homosexuality? you ask. Well, for a man to have a dick up his ass is weird. Islam separates men and women, and when you do that you will have gay people. It's natural. It grows in the dark. Let males and females also experiment within Islam. They are meant to mix and feel, lick and fuck. It is God's will. Allah inshalla. What is perverse? Keeping women and men separate is not natural. If men want to be with men, so be it and the same for women, but never forget that the first and most basic dyad is a woman and a man. At their height Greece and Rome celebrated homosexuality but are no more so draw your own conclusions. Nothing is forbidden. Do as thou wilt, within reason, and I will tell you what is reasonable.

              [–]HongPongHooey 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

              Islam is commanded to execute the homosexual..

              Just fyi..

              [–]WhenImBanned 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

              All the more reasons to support Islamic law.

              [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

              I know I sound crazy, but this is why I've predicted the religious "new right" (European definition) will soon renounce Christianity and convert to Islam en masse. Islam fits their new values much better than a religion that says to love everyone and forbids tyranny.

              [–]WhenImBanned 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

              I'm Muslim already and the reason why people are abandoning Christianity is because Christianity has no set in stone rules to protect itself. Ask any Christian about the so called violent verses of the Bible they'll just say "OH WE DONT FOLLOW THAT HEHE" or "uWu Those were valid then nothing in the Bible is valid now! It doesn't matter what the Bible says!" So Christianity has become inconsistent. The scripture has become irrelevant. What kinda religion is that?

              And who do they see fighting jihad to repel the degeneracy? It's only Muslims. They only fear Muslims because you can't beat them via democracy but Muslims don't play by democracy or any man-made law. They tried Guantanamo, they tried predator drones, they tried mass murder, Muslims did not give up their faith whereas Christians have already bent the knee because they fear being cancelled on Twitter.

              [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

              The New Testament does not interpret the old literally, nor does it believe it to be infallible or untampered with through the ages. Christians have since lost sight of this which of course lead to massive contradictions.

              Christianity is losing traction because it opposes the evil nature of the world, and of course human nature along with it.

              [–]WhenImBanned 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

              Christianity has it's own jihad prescribed in the books. "Turn the other cheek" when attacked was never the way of the prophets. And that's not a bad thing. War is necessary to end oppression. This is why the people now are being cucked by thinking they will change anything by protesting and holding up signs.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Wasn't Christianity designed for heterogeneous societies? Isn't it quite natural that homogenous cavemen religions lash out violently when their belief systems are challenged? Don't those with anti-american agenda just seethe when they hear black people reading the Gospel of our Lord on the radio every Sunday morning?

              [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              The Old Testament has instances of turning the other cheek. Think about being enslaved in Egypt for 400 years. Eventually there was a breaking point where it's forced to end, but it goes on for a very long time.

              [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              Also remember, the prophets are not all literal either, nor are they free from scribal corruption.

              [–]WhenImBanned 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

              Wdym? If we can't take the words of the Prophets as literal or their very apparent meanings (unless OBVIOUS symbology is used) then what kind of guidance would that be? If someone could interpret it to mean anything then there is no meaning in it. The revelation sent by God is not a riddle, it's sent to give clear guidance.

              The first lie the Jews told the Christians was the lie that the revelation is symbolic. When God says "if man layeth with another men" both of them should be killed etc they say "oh that's symbolic" HOW? This is how they distorted Christianity.

              [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Jesus spoke of the mysteries and how the stuff-necked and closed-minded have not been given the ability to know them.

              With regard to your final example: much of the "law" is a mixture of religious traditions and man-made laws and temple practices. Some of it is plain, some of it is mysterious, some of it is bad, and some of it is fraudulent. So no one is saying every single law has to be entirely symbolic. That law in particular is intentionally mistranslated, replacing the words "a woman's lyings" with "as with a woman"; concealing the only two real viable meanings: banning either butt sex or sex with a married man (recall how "uncovering someone's nakedness" refers to sexual relations with their spouse). And that entire chapter is an altered version of the original, which was also included in the book, chapter 18, and it says nothing about putting people to death.

              [–]Alphix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

              I think one of these dudes is implying that in the cities men turn gay because they are bored with women? That is completely fucking insane.

              No, the "evil spirits" take a hold of them and give them foul, unnatural and very Baal-esque impulses. That's what homosexuality is.

              [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

              Don't you think evil spirits would make people do a lot worse things than that?

              [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

              They also do that. What, you think you would readily understand THEIR agenda? I do.

              [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

              I understand that you're falling right into their trap. You're too distracted by culture war issues to notice anything actually important.

              [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

              Very amusing, but utterly wrong. I realize more than you can imagine. If you were to just even imagine the scope of what I understand, your mind would stop working, let alone actually holding that understanding.

              What's happening today is the culmination of an ages long battle between the forces of light and the forces of darkness.

              [–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

              Gay people are the culmination of the forces of darkness? Over brutal regimes that torture dissidents and good people in unimaginable ways, you think guys liking each other is the worst thing possible?

              It sounds to me like you're just fed up with the extreme progressive forced diversity movement and are trying to counter it with an extreme anti-progessive anti-diversity movement. No one has any sanity or common sense anymore, and there's no middle ground.

              I know things that would make your head explode. I think I have even seen parts of the fabric of the existence. I know what the multiverse looks like, it's this wheel-shaped thing with a web of every world imaginable. At least that's the way for a brain to comprehend it. That thing is so vast it doesn't even have a size. I'm not exactly sure where I picked this up, maybe it's just universal, although I feel like I remember "riding" it to different places.

              Do you want to know what this world is? It doesn't exist. This one is a completely obvious matrix, and I remember evil beings fooling me into it. They create a counterfeit "afterlife" exactly as we imagine it: staircases, white light, life review, judgement, and demons disguised as whatever deities you believe in. Then they trick you in any way possible into doing another life, so they can keep toying with you like cats "play" with mice. THEY are why atonement had to be made. Everyone covers this up and tries to say it was God, which makes no sense because he's also the one who had it made. Why not simply pardon everyone and spare himself from all the gruesome trouble?

              This realm truly is satanic. Of course it is, because he rules it. Have you ever had really, really disturbing thoughts about existence that are unsettling for no obvious reason? Here's some people who I think experienced the truth about the world we live in (WARNING: DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO BE TERRIFIED OR VERY FREAKED OUT): https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/288i38/redditors_who_have_been_in_a_coma_did_you_dream/ci8nyrs/

              [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

              "your" thoughts don't come from you. They are HOW you are manipulated by the Lord of Lies.

              [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

              And the Lorde of the Lies LORDES it over his domain, which is this world. But still he cannot control our thoughts, only restrict and manipulate them, or it would be straight-up possession.

              [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

              There is no such thing as a thought that belongs to the individual it happens to. It's all created for that manipulation you believe you know, but ultimately don't. Illusions are treacherous that way and the foremost illusion of human beings is that they think. Thoughts are DONE TO them. The self-attribution is the first great and worst lie of a new person.

              [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

              Then so arre your thoughts.

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                [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                I'm just stating how things are. Of course people CAN'T believe this, because they are under the influence of said entities.

                You must have read the phrase: "The devil's greatest trick is making people believe it doesn't exist."