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[–]Vigte[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

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[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Very interesting. Crazy that all of those bodies found their way to that final resting place; whether ritual, intent, or accident. It's a treasure trove of tragedy.

I like to imagine what it must have been like for them. Maybe it was similar to the river Styx and they imagined that was the case to the afterlife? A cave of sacrifice, revenge, or farewell.

Either way, I bet they had a shaman that presided over some ritual. Being a shaman is a great gig.

[–]Vigte[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The most interesting part of Sima de los Huesos, is that it is a site in SPAIN that has both neanderthal and denisovan corpses.

Totally upended history.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That is crazy interesting.

Imagine being one of the first to discover that site!

Wait! 🤨 What...? 😮 ...mixed ...bones? 🤔

What the hell happened here???! 😳

[–]Vigte[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Exactly. Especially since Denisovans were believed to be an "Asian" lineage, with Neander's being a "European Lineage" - but the finding of bodies from both lineages, in the same place is confusing.

There've been a lot of articles recently too, proving that Neanders and Denisovan's ARE related - but NOT related to Homo Sapiens.

Then an article came out a week or two ago suggesting the NEXT closest ancestor, is fully Neanderthal too.

The "Last common ancestor" has been pushed back almost 700,000 years in the last 5 years alone.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Genetic combination would seem to be the most practical way to evaluate relations.

Can they interbreed? Y/N.
Are the offspring sterile? Y/N. Any interesting results of interbreeding? Y/N.

If they're judging by comparing bone structure then theres tons of room for error.

For example: Would a liger appear to be a new and unique species of cat?

[–]Vigte[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Indeed, I've done a lot of looking into the sterile neander/human denisov/human hybrids that are postulated.

Given the age difference between species of animals that produce sterile offspring (closely related enough to generate viable offspring, but not closely related enough to be fully functional) is between 4 and 8 million years - what does this say for the human lineage?

The main contention is that chromosome 2 (I think it's 2?) fused at some point in history, reducing the 48 chromosome denisovan/neanderthals to a 46 chromosome human.

However if this was the result of an accident or genetic defect or perhaps some infection/radiation - how then could a single fused chromosome individual give rise to a new race, without another fused chromosome partner?

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EDIT: I posted FOUR versions of this song in this post - EVERY single one but this one said "Video unavailable" - what the fuck? user/D3RR might know more about this?

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There've been a lot of articles recently too, proving that Neanders and Denisovan's ARE related - but NOT related to Homo Sapiens.

"proving" archeological facts is questionable, at best. The author would need an overwhelming amount of supporting evidence. I doubt that the existing DNA analysis technique are refined enough to be certain of most theorys.

Which is fortunate for us, as I suspect that we are both habitual dissenters.

[–]Vigte[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not that they've tested DNA, but the morphology of the various skeletons shows a strong relation between the Denisovans and Neanderthals.

The "last common ancestor" that is now being considered by the mainstream as possible is Homo Antecessor (approx 800kya) - however, again, the morphology (specifically of the teeth) calls this into question again - as antecessor's teeth show nearly complete neanderthal traits..

This, I feel supports my claim that the last common ancestor we shared with Denisovans and Neanderthals is AT LEAST Homo Erectus.