John Jacob Astor: Freemason, Intel Operative and Made Man

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[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

== The Titanic Conspiracy in MSM and alt-media ==

I'd been a 9/11 skeptic since day one and a truther since 2004, but in 2015 to find better solutions than the disappointing MSM lame-but-pretty documentaries I really began delving hard into alt-media for deeper alt-histories with superior contextualization and comprehension so I've been consuming as many new-to-me conspiracy theories as I could, including (initially) some of the ridiculous ones. Since 2015 when I discovered this Titanic theory a LOT of new videos have sprung up too : https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=titanic+conspiracy I can't speak to them as I haven't seen most of them.

I think, more importantly than sifting through the vast variety of videos is a comparison between a high-budget corporate SkyTV [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skytv] production for the mass UK audience and a lower-budget self-funded independent production that will never see broadcast air-time.

Watch the independent documentary : "The Best Titanic Conspiracy Documentary (2012)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOeIdDXN8SM

Then watch the SkyTV documentary that includes further good details yet manages to omit very easily obtainable critical information obfuscating a clear resolution to the "mystery" : "Was the Titanic Sunk? : Documentary on the Titanic Conspiracy (Full Documentary)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXlavl7Hc4o

Regarding the end of this corporate "conspiracy debunking" video... I want to see more than a quick glimpse of the wreckage to know that I'm looking at the flat front of the Titanic wheelhouse and not the flat back wall of the Olympic wheelhouse. Dwelling on some details and flashing by others is a common propaganda trick to bias viewers to steer the narrative, manipulate minds, and manufacture consent for their social engineering goals. I can't speak to the authenticity of what Paddy is alleged to have claimed or not claimed as I haven't researched it nor did they provide citations, recordings, or anything but "he said" and we're to trust the media because they never intentionally lie. Ever.

The modern corporate media bait and switch about the vintage corporate marine bait and switch insurance scam.

Is any of this true or false? I can't say with any 100% certainty. Do the media ever lie? Over and over again. Do governments and corporations ever lie? Over and over again. What does this prove? Nothing by itself. But when it's added together with example after example, many connected, and many connected in less-than-obvious ways one may start to grasp a bigger picture and ulterior agendas behind deceptive narratives.

If I flip a coin there's a 50/50 chance it will land heads. To get heads twice is a 25% chance. To get head 3 times = 12.5% chance. 4 times = 6.25% chance. And so on. After a while you might say the chances are pretty slim, or you might say that it's a double headed coin or that it's rigged somehow. Just as in gambling "the house always wins", so too in life the corporatocracy always wins - until we can point out how they cheat us.

To say anyone would intentionally sink a huge ship with people on board is like saying someone would intentionally burn or collapse a skyscraper with people in it. (I would list all the examples of these historical to modern events but it diverges from my main point, is too big a task, and I just ate and need a nap.)

See also:

More good videos in this "Titanic Conspiracy" playlist : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpODz2ZE55fD8I_NOA9LhLs6d5znyQFqS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent_(disambiguation)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_lie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_(disambiguation)

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ping /u/Tom_Bombadil /u/useless_aether because you guys commented on this I thought you might dig this new paragraph above. The other reason I wrote it will soon be unveiled.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for the link to the playlists. This one was particularly interesting.

The Titanic Conspiracy - The Great Deception {John Hamer}

It's interesting how he makes the case that no passengers reported seeing an iceberg hit the ship, and only two crew members reported seeing it.
However, some witnesses did report seeing a ship leaving the scene. Some witnesses claimed that an icebreaker ship intentionally crashed into the ship; creating a 6 inch wide gash for over 300 feet.

You should post the link to this presentation. Maybe watch the last 20 mins for the Q&A refresher. Interesting stuff.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd never considered this much.

This brings to mind a side story that helps confirm the "official" narrative... After the Titanic sank they found the villainous iceberg because they found some tea cups on it as proof. I always thought that was a strange thing to find. Perhaps this is true or a concocted story. The Titanic china was the same as all other White Star Line china.

There's also the story of snowball fights on deck, allegedly scraped off the iceberg. In freezing temperatures snow could be made by frost and/or the bow's ocean spray collecting on deck. But who can know what's true anymore.

I think you just posted it. That's a great lecture. It's in that playlist. There's a lot in that playlist. But the idea is to keep the "lessons" as short as possible.