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[–]AnarchySpeach 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

exploited

Brainwashed into believing that leaving an area with poor job opportunities is "giving up" on their community when there's barely a community to begin with.

sold

Never said those in the modern picture were.

they chose their path.

You're right. Peer pressure is no excuse. But that doesn't mean we are powerless to offer a way out for those among them that choose to leave the ruins behind them.

you remove their agency, treating them like children.

Like how you see only hopelessness in their future, and rather than consider the possibility for change you hand wave their existence as predestined for doom? Saying "genetics" and walking away from the burning streets is about as pessimisticaly racist as it can get.

imperialistic

You got me there. Imperialism isn't all bad. It can do great things, but how it hurt the political process in Africa and India is unforgivable, and is a problem we are still dealing with today a hundred years later.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Like how you see only hopelessness in their future,

see, there you are colonising their experience again. They will be fine. Grunting, violent animalistic behaviour is their apex, and they are happy doing it.

but how it hurt the political process in Africa and India is unforgivable

colonial hegemony. What makes you say western ideas of democracy are 'better' than indigenous african warlord models? Racism defines you

[–]AnarchySpeach 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What makes you say western ideas of democracy are 'better' than indigenous african warlord models?

I never implied it was better than democracy.

Both have their strengths and weaknesses.

For starters, the "warlord model" as you put it works perfectly well in a location where disapproving members are free to leave. That's one of the big advantages of having large areas of unclaimed land. If the land is big enough it could even support several independent warlords. It works fine as long as groups have plenty of space to avoid the other.

Given enough space it would be the universal default.

Modern technology is slowly removing that option from everybody. For example, in America if the outcome of a particular vote hurts you... tough shit. Where do you go? If you wake up one day labeled a criminal, or there's no food, or any number of problems there is no escape. Nowhere to reset and try again.

With nowhere to run people fight. These forced confrontations lead to rapid technological advancements.

Africa had the geography to help spread people out to avoid unnecessary conflicts. One of the reasons why their technology was slower to develop.

Europe didn't have that option. People were continuously forced to fight over every inch of space. One of the byproducts of being forced into a society you can't escape from is group rage. Often at the government that's ordering them to die in pointless wars. To placate the masses voting started to spread.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

next time you can just say "ok, you are right"

[–]AnarchySpeach 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

what? lmao