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CIA coup map(wikispooks.com)

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Tom_Bombadil 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun 4 years ago

Note: The US is included in the list of countries that are the victims of the CIA.

Robin's a well informed man.

Valok 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

Brazilian here. The talk about a CIA coup in Brazil is actually just a far left wet dream, they want it to be true so it supports their propaganda. Not saying the US had no interests in Brazil, especially during the cold war, but the "coup" started as a movement to halt the communist infiltration in the government (it is however a shame that they allowed them to infiltrate the media and academia).

Here's a movie that talks about it, portuguese only though: https://youtu.be/yTenWQHRPIg

Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

Really? The 1964 Brazilian coup d'état never happened?

Valok 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

I would advise to never use Wikipedia when it comes to politics. There's no real way for me to explain everything that happened in a simple comment, to trully understand the event you need to study it (which is why I linked the video, and even then it doesn't cover everything). General incompetence, and then the communist infiltration into high rank positions within the government led the armed forces to make their move. The mistake that most ppl make here is that since it was a refusal of communism by the population, then ofc it had to be "backed" by the USA. That is not true, while I have no doubt there were CIA operations in Brazil the actual grab of the government was a nationalist movement in defense of our sovereign.

Idk what was going on in the USA at the time but my guess is that they were too busy with the Vietnam war. Also that was a mistake in my opinion, should've left that place alone and glassed Cuba instead. The sheer amount of damage their influence (and by extension the USSR influence) did to SA cannot be understated.

Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

I agree. Wikipedia is questionable, at best. Here are some more reliable sources.

This is directly from the CIA.gov library website. U.S. FORCES STOOD READY TO AID '64 BRAZIL COUP

Here's an NSA archive of documents surrounding the coup.

Below are the top 2 of the 7 documents listed on the link above:

l) White House Audio Tape, President Lyndon B. Johnson discussing the impending coup in Brazil with Undersecretary of State George Ball, March 31, 1964

In this 5:08 minute White House tape obtained from the Lyndon Baines Johnson Library, President Johnson is recorded speaking on the phone from his Texas ranch with Undersecretary of State George Ball and Assistant Secretary for Latin America, Thomas Mann. Ball briefs Johnson on that status of military moves in Brazil to overthrow the government of Joao Goulart who U.S. officials view as a leftist closely associated with the Brazilian Communist Party. Johnson gives Ball the green light to actively support the coup if U.S. backing is needed. "I think we ought to take every step that we can, be prepared to do everything that we need to do" he orders. In an apparent reference to Goulart, Johnson states "we just can't take this one." "I'd get right on top of it and stick my neck out a little," he instructs Ball.

2) State Department, Top Secret Cable from Rio De Janiero, March 27, 1964

Ambassador Lincoln Gordon wrote this lengthy, five part, cable to the highest national security officers of the U.S. government, including CIA director John McCone and the Secretaries of Defense and State, Robert McNamara and Dean Rusk. He provides an assessment that President Goulart is working with the Brazilian Communist Party to "seize dictatorial power" and urges the U.S. to support the forces of General Castello Branco. Gordon recommends "a clandestine delivery of arms" for Branco's supporters as well as a shipment of gas and oil to help the coup forces succeed and suggests such support will be supplemented by CIA covert operations. He also urges the administration to "prepare without delay against the contingency of needed overt intervention at a second stage."

Obviously, the Brazilian military lead the coup. However, it's obvious that the US was eager to step in and raise the stakes if necessary.

How is this different from every other US backed military coup?

Valok 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

That the US was eager to stomp on the communists here I have no doubt, it was the cold war after all, but what have they actually done? A ship was sent with some gas to São Paulo I think but the gas was not even given, the Governor of the state ended up paying for the gas out of his OWN pocket after asking for a lend from a cousin I believe who was a banker (Also I dont recall now but I'm not even sure that gas ended up being used).

Now, lets take a moment and compare that awesome "backing" with what the other side had in hands.. you have cuban/soviet agents arrested all over the country, communist activists were sent to Cuba for guerrilla training, some pockets of communist armed resistance being formed on the interior in some states, documents found on former soviet countries showing the names of agents, sympathizers, operations, etc. The video I linked shows all those documents and much more.

Sorry but no, I'm not trying to be disrespectful or to insult you or anyone else but here the US did fuck all. It does not deserve any "credit".

JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

A+++

[deleted] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun 4 years ago

b-b-but the cia were nice and didn't mean to torture and kill

[deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

sucks you don't know about your own country's history

CIA couped the hell out of brazil. Reality is a far left dream but that's really a nightmare

Valok 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

There's a fairly big difference between covert actions and a backed coup d'état. The latter is the one I'm referring.

[deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun 4 years ago

nah same thing, never resort to semantics

zyxzevn 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun 4 years ago

Russia also has a US backed government change.

[deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

and 9/11 was done partly to cover this up

Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun 4 years ago

9/11 was the third coup.

1) Wilson pushes through the FED legislation during the Christmas recess
2) Kennedy Assassination
3) 9/11

Robin[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

Also https://wikispooks.com/wiki/The_Business_Plot & https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Watergate_coup

[deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 4 years ago

why do you think they wanted to get rid of Nixon, what did he do to make them mad? That says he may have been planning to expose the JFK murder, well he resigned, he could have exposed stuff but never did, it's not like they assassinated Nixon.

Robin[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

Where's a good source for this?

zyxzevn 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

After the split up of the USSR, a lot of people took the chance to become billionaire and sell out the resources.
During this time Putin worked together with billionaires like Bill Browder. The US wanted to get the resources, so they helped Putin to become president. I remember reading Hillary praising Putin. They put them there.

But (Putin) broke with the Billionaires to help the Russian people. And this started a long fierce campaign of attacking Putin and Russia.
This can be seen in the forbidden documentary: The Magnitsky Act - Behind the Scenes.
How it is forbidden, shows the enormous power of Browder. His wikipedia page is just praise.

The documentary shows how at first Billionaires praised Putin, and then after he changed policy on selling out Russia,
Putin became the biggest enemy of the world. This started the second cold war with Russia.

The search-machines are sadly biased, but I found this.
https://theduran.com/why-the-us-deep-state-hates-vladimir-putin/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/clinton-bashes-trump-over-russia-praise-but-emails-show-she-praised-putin

JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 4 years ago

A+++

Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

Boris Yeltsin was the US's man.

Yeltsin Shelled Russian Parliament 25 Years Ago, U.S. Praised “Superb Handling”

beermeem 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 4 years ago

US backed Yeltsin is the reason for all this Putin-Iran-Syria blowback.

Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 4 years ago

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/21/world/bank-affair-and-a-yeltsin-son-in-law.html

Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun 4 years ago

Also, the CIA was involved in the Cuban coup that installed Castro.

yetanotherone_sigh 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

So it looks like around 25% of all nations, at one time or another, have had the CIA attempt or succeed at a coup.

I wonder what the world would look like without all this shadow government behind the scenes causing chaos and destabilization everywhere.

beermeem 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun 4 years ago

Israel?

Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 4 years ago

Webster Tarpley sobre Fidel Castro

This is an exceptionally informative video. Subtitled in spanish.

Hellothereawesome 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun 4 years ago

Half the population knows this and is going to intentionally forget because of their American exceptionalism.

JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 4 years ago

That doesn't seem like enough. ie. Chile and Argentina were certainly infiltrated by the Chicago School.

What about influence? ie. Operation Gladio (and Gladio B + C) in Italy but actually all over Europe

I'm guessing "influence" would cover it all.