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[–]Alduin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

If Americans could just unite against the hyper-wealthy

No faster way to unite a country than to find a boogie man. Whether that's a racial group or an economic class.

That said, the wealthy are the last people I want to leave. Every prosperous country has enormously wealthy people at the top. Every dirt poor wasteland shithole punishes the rich. Socialism is nothing less than an economic attack.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

he wealthy are the last people I want to leave

So you see no problem with the fact billionaires are richer than ever in history, and the US's middle class is dying out by the actions of these same billionaires? https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/01/18/rich-people-own-much-money-half-world-report-says/y6az3Wtasd5TIf9Q6k3I4K/story.html

[–]Alduin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I see no problem that some are richer than ever. In fact that's a good thing. It's only bad if you think there's a finite amount of wealth to go around, which effectively there isn't.

A dying middle class would be a problem but I haven't seen really compelling evidence for that to be a concern. Most of the evidence I have seen revolves around a changing definition of "middle class".

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

which effectively there isn't.

Well actually there is. The pie gets slightly bigger every year, but it's clear money is going from the middle class and in to the hands of billionaires.

The middle class has been dying out for 30 years now, it's clear both through the statistical evidence and in everyday observation.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

So you're all for exploitation via rigged systems.

Do you support rigged corporate exploitation of community resources?

Do you support rigged taxation systems without representation?

Do you support rigged judicial systems?

Do you support the prison industrial complex?

Do you support slavery only in jails?

Do you support debt slavery?

Do you support slavery?

Do you support war?

That's where the rich get their wealth and how they keep/hoard it.

Take a lesson: /s/Socialism/comments/br8/dr_richard_d_wolff_socialism_in_america_20180822/

[–]Alduin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So you're all for exploitation via rigged systems.

No.

Do you support rigged corporate exploitation of community resources?

Probably not but you need to be more specific.

Do you support rigged taxation systems without representation?

No. Taxes are theft.

Do you support rigged judicial systems?

Of course not.

Do you support the prison industrial complex?

No. Contributes to rigged judicial system and creates corrupted incentives.

Do you support slavery only in jails?

I don't know enough about prison work programs to weigh in on this.

Do you support debt slavery?

Not in the literal sense and only figuratively if the debt was bargained willingly. Borrowing 22 Trillion dollars against our children and grandchildren's future is immoral, for example.

Do you support slavery?

No.

Do you support war?

Sometimes. Not any in the last 150 years though.

That's where the rich get their wealth and how they keep/hoard it.

In some cases maybe, but in general no.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Right. Because the rich are smarter with better bloodlines and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and don't benefit by the plunders of war.

[–]Alduin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Holy strawman Batman! I never said anything remotely like that stuff.

Look, whatever you think of the "fairness" of the capitalist system, we should not be trying to enforce equality of outcome. That's where dictatorships and poverty come from.

There are way more socialist impoverished dictatorships than capitalist ones. I can't even think of any capitalist ones.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sarcasm, yes I think I've heard of that...

I never said anything about equality of outcome, but I'm all for equality of opportunity. And if it means stomping on a few privileged heads to stop stomping on millions of non-privileged heads - I'm all for it.

If you really think dictatorships are about equality of outcome then you're sorely mistaken. You don't need dictatorships for poverty. You just need any government and unfairness and they go hand in hand.

[–]Alduin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Life is not fair and never will be. Yet not all countries are poverty stricken dictatorships. It takes more than unfairness, it takes a "revolution" of people demanding government make everything fair.

Income inequality is healthy for an economy right up to the point where the lower class become too jealous for having not advanced as quickly. Then it turns ugly. The thing is, they're far better off with the inequality. It's far better to be poor in a rich country than poor in a poor country.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Naw.