No one argues against the commands of the Bible harder than a Christian

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[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

1 Timothy is a very well-established forgery. In many ways it's basically the opposite of the person it claims to be written by. Why? To neutralize things the church didn't like about him.

[–]christnmusicreleases 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

According to whom?

Paul wrote the pastorals.

There’s some very good evidence for the genuineness of Paul’s letters to Timothy that seems to go ignored by critics. They tend to focus on more granular internal inconsistencies and quibbles about grammar. But as we’ve seen, the witness of the early church strongly favors that Paul wrote these letters based on their statements and use of the letters. And the internal evidence of undesigned coincidences between Acts and the pastoral letters is another strong argument in favor of the genuineness of the letters. The claim that Paul wrote these letters stands on solid ground.

https://crossexamined.org/forgery-in-the-bible-were-1-and-2-timothy-really-forged/

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You trust the "church fathers" to tell the truth, the very people who are probably responsible for the forgeries? Acts is also one of their forgeries, so it makes sense that the pastorals line up with it. The authentic letters on the other hand do not quite match, which prompted the church fathers to "correct" inconsistencies with interpolations.

No one early on knew anything about the pastorals; except for Polycarp, which is quite a coincidence as he's the most likely suspect for writing them. Marcion did not have them at all, and the other 10 letters were also shorter; and it just so happens that in every single place where his are shorter, there is evidence for interpolation. Also his are less polished in general, which clearly points toward the orthodox being the editors and not the other way around.

The pastorals do not just have someone else's style, they also contradict Paul. For example, Paul prefers celibacy (1 Corinthians 7), whereas whoever wrote the pastorals almost prohibits it (1 Timothy 2:15, 3:2, 3:4-5, 3:12, Titus 1:6, 2:4-5).

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