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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

Are you going to keep being an establishment mouthpiece?

We all have lives away from these websites, socks. Don't be a twat. Do you think we all just sit around with our thumbs up our asses?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (29 children)

Supporting XR (as I do) is definitely not what an establishment mouthpiece does.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Continue living your life, socks. I just want you to quit trying to talk down on the users here, then fucking comment and post everyday. We do things in our personal lives, some of us are very active people, and some of us take an active interest in the well-being of our communities. This isn't some alt-right circle-jerk den like you've often tried to make it out to be. To firmly address the reason we are even talking right now: most people who take an active interest in talking about and learning about current topics, such as a good chunk of the folks you argue with here, do not "merely talk" about dealing with corporate and government abuses. They prepare and act accordingly.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't think you or I know the users here that well.

My concern was for criticism of XR, especially at Saidit, where I get notes from people that they don't vote, and that everything is bad, and there is no hope for anything. XR is actively trying to make a difference, which is more than many of us do.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"which is more than many of us do."

prove this, please.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You know it can't be proven. But if you look at the comments about not voting for one of the 2 leading candidates, contrasted with the general lack of anti-government protests in the US, and the demonization of the few protestors who support BLM and women by alt-right people, you'll have some evidence.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

You know that the political bureaucracy and the banks are controlled by the same people right? A tiny little club of billionaires? XR wants to hand over the entire world energy market in to the political bureacracy’s hands.

That means all the energy in the world will be controlled by a handful of billionaires.

Total regulatory power over energy is the same as owning it. Do you understand that?

Owning all the energy in the world is the same as owning the world economy. They would have complete controll over all economic activity everywhere. Billionaires.

Yes of course this is what the establishment wants. They absolutely fund this shit because they know these useful idiots dont understand economics or physics. Or history for that matter. Stuart Basden and I definitely dont see eye to eye on civilization.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

XR wants to hand over the entire world energy market in to the political bureacracy’s hands.

The exact opposite of this.

(Where in the world would one find evidence to support this. It seems like something the alt-right would peddle in order to demonize XR by describing them as the opposite of what they are. It's absolutely false.)

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Okay who do you think XR want to give the power to regulate the burning of all fossil fuels, not to mention all sources of nuclear, hydro, wind, solar energy powering the grid too?

XR want “somebody” to “take control” and “stop them from killing us”. Who is that somebody?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Of course - democratically elected government regulations.

What is your alternative?: deregulation and corporate abuses?

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Corporations and billionaires control our entire political system. They choose the nominees. They control the parties. They control the news coverage of candidates - I assume youve heard of manufactured consent. If they cant manufacture consent efficiently enough with the american electorate they change the demographics through migration to get the result they want. Corporate contractors are running most of our government agencies these days. Its the worst of both worlds, corrupt socialism and crony capitalism

You have a superstitious belief that government bureaucracies are virtuous and “private sector” bureacracies are evil. Because government is magic. A lot of liberals believe this. This is still the old paradigm, big business vs big government, republican vs democrat. It is not a useful paradigm for our current situation. These two forces are clearly in bed together. They are really one and the same. If you cant see how broken our “democracy” is at this point, what can I say? You still think growing government bureaucracy will stop corrupt corporate bureacracy? Thats naive.

Look at how badly government handled covid. You want to hand them the keys to your car and the switch on your furnace?

First. Understand that complex civiliations have many specialized economic sectors that musts all be coordinated somehow. Workers, people who create objective and tangible forms of wealth, like building houses or working in factories or curing cancer, need to coordinate.

The function of bureaucracies is to transmit information from one sector to another— political infromation, moral and legal information, economic information and other types of cultural information. The bureacracy is pure overhead. It produces no wealth directly. Its function is more abstract.

Gaining control of the bureacratic institutions of a society and distorting information is how a small number of people are looting the system. That is how wall street works. That is how the banking system works. These people literally have the power to determine the price of a dollar now.

Understand the distinction between the workers— direct wealth producers- and the bureaucracy. The divide between government bureacracy and corporate bureaucracy is now meaningless. Or havent you noticed. Our “democracy” is bought and paid for.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Yes.

What is your alternative?

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

Oh I have so many ideas! If only they would make me supreme leader of the universe.

But maybe specifically with respect to climate change?

Full disclosure I feel CO2 driven AGW is a huge nothing burger built on some pretty skinny science and a manipulation of climate data. We are at a CO2 minimum in the geologic/atmospheric history of earth, even with respect to fairly recent history. CO2 has a logarithmic relationship to heat forcing which means it totally craps out as a covariate of global temperature after ~1000ppm, which is historically a normal level for CO2. But I imagine you disagree with all that.

Im all for energy efficiency and not polluting the environment. So why not build more nuclear power plants? It is an incredibly clean and efficient source of energy. The newer technologies make nuclear plants much easier to maintain. It is the most obvious solution for reducing use of carbon fossil fuels. Everyone could be using more clean electricity— so why isnt any one talkin about it? Why are we not building nuclear power plants? Its because they are not interested in a solution. This is a power grab. Power to regulate means you own it. A few politicians and billionaires will own all oil, gas, and coal. All. They are salivating . Do you get it?

Heres another no brainer. Locally source your manufactured goods. We used to make stuff in this country. Then Wall street used all our 401 K money to fund the chinese manufacturing sector. We now get all our manufactured goods shipped from China. How much fuel does that waste? If we manufactured goods here, we could reduce transportation fuel use, manage manufacturing pollution standards better (the chinese do not have ecofriendly practices) and improve quality of manufactured goods.

We used to manufacture appliances in this country that lasted decades. Now all our appliances break down in a fraction of the time and end up in a landfill. Improving quality of manufactured goods reduces waste dramatically. We now have a chinese monopoly on all manufactured products and they are all uniformly low quality and shipped inefficiently over long distances. Why does XR not talk about these common sense strategies. Because its a scam. A scam by a few oligarchs for political leverage. They dont care about the environment. They know it is easy to con 20 year old that have never taken a physics course in their life.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Full disclosure I feel CO2 driven AGW.... But I imagine you disagree with all that.

I have no opinion on it, as I am not familiar with it.

So why not build more nuclear power plants?

Uranium - no. But there are Thorium-based nuclear power projects underway.

Nonetheless - they're not needed. There are reliable green energy sources.

Locally source your manufactured goods.

XR protestors likely agree with this, as it also reduces the need to transport products long distances

Now all our appliances break down in a fraction of the time and end up in a landfill. Improving quality of manufactured goods reduces waste dramatically.

XR protestors likely agree with this

Why does XR not talk about these common sense strategies.

They're focused on corporate abuses that have cause the problems you also want resolved here. Corporate abuses can be regulated with a democratically elected government, and with the help of XR to pressure that goverment into acting for the 99%.

My question about solutions is not about some of the issues above, but about political and social challenges against the 'establishment".