Tom Waits - Reality is for people who can't face drugs

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When we are now at sharing secrets like this one. I share my personal one with some kind of pride:

Every serious mathematician i know is deeply obsessed at least with one drug.

But i won't tell you mine because it slows my mind (as advertised) while it will most surely kind of piston seizures yours . :)

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Don’t go making assumptions about the drugs I like or use based on my posting habits or health condition! 😂 To be honest, the older I get the more I realize and discover the people I would least expect to use drugs are the ones who do. I study Neuropsychology and have taken two classes on the psychology of addiction and we studied fMRIs of addicts of almost every substance, shit is very interesting, I could talk about it all day and have written many essays about it here in the past so I’m going to avoid doing that now (I had one typed out and had to delete it lmao).

But you don’t have to be a mathematician to enjoy viewing reality through a different lens, whatever that lens may be. In my opinion the majority of drugs suck and are overrated (and I haven’t tried many), but oxytocin, that’s one of hell of a drug :)

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Class three pain medication is only accessible by my gf. That is one of the lesser reasons she is my witch. But i can sleep quite nicely on these.

Hallucinogens get more or less boring after a while using them.

I lately am into sleep inducing atypical antipsychotics even though the mornings after them ain't nice.

One of my real problems stays: I develop tolerance very fast.

Can't deny being the snake you are when you actually are immune to quite the number of poisons. Sometimes it is tolerance sometimes cross-immunity from other drugs that crossed your way.

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Did you read my deleted essay?

I went into a tangent about how in our two-part “psychology of addiction” course, we learned opioids fall into the dissociative (which is part of the hallucinogen) category. Opiate alkaloids (which there are over 150 of, some still undiscovered due to laws preventing medical research, like there were on cannabis that delayed the discovery of the endocannabinoid system and many cannabinoids), many of which are kappa-opioid agonists, cause disassociation which is partly responsible for the “nod” seen in heroin users. It’s also partly responsible for ketamine’s effects; ketamine touches on kappa-opioid receptors, making it an “opioid”, a substance not derived from the poppy plant that still works on opioid receptors (just like Kratom). Whereas an opiate is a substance derived straight from the poppy plant (like the alkaloid codeine which is found in the plant, but not ketamine or kratom for example, which aren’t found in the plant and neither are their derivatives but they still touch on receptors derivatives of the poppy plant touch on. Fuck that was a mouthful, not many people know that).

And ironically, we learned the most forgiving class of drugs on the brain and usually the body as well (via fMRIs and other testing methods I forget, from chronic addicts of at least one decade who were sober for at least two) are natural hallucinogens and dissociatives. That included heroin; there were outliers who had some shrinkage to the frontal lobe which was theorized to be one of the reasons addicts stole and did fucked up shit to loved ones or themselves to get their fix, but after two years of sobriety returned to a “baseline” where the massive majority said they all felt normal again and all had normal lives functioning in society, many with families of their own. Now chronic cocaine, meth and alcohol abusers on the other hand.. that wasn’t pretty. The brain damage was visible. You can see this for yourself if you just type into google “fMRI x drug addict vs control”. Not many people know this because of the epidemic and the propaganda, but pure heroin (combined with proper hygiene) is a very safe drug compared to alcohol, meth and even cocaine. I didn’t know that before I took the class (I’m not advocating for anyone to take heroin, just pointing out two interesting things about the drug we aren’t taught lol).

So obviously hallucinogens aren’t that boring if they’re a small part of the reason you’re with your girl? 🤣

you brought the essay out of me. Hope you’re happy.

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No. You got that one wrong. Hallucinogens i mostly did in my twenties.

Now i don't anymore because i can see no worth in comparing the trip to the hassle afterwards (Especially mescaline did fuck me up good... like not being able to sleep whatsoever, flashbacks, loss of motor control and so on... you get the picture).

I sometimes take opiods only as a last line of defense to be able to sleep. Only after being awake 72h straight or so and melperone e.g. not helping.

Ketamine never qute fitted my style. The only feeling i get from this one is numbness.

So as i can't understand people being into cocaine or crack i also can't understand people being into ketamine.

Someone building me confounded two or more Legos when he was at my brain, i suppose. :)

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No. You got that one wrong. Hallucinogens I mostly did in my twenties.

I understood you! I just thought it was an interesting, (and not very well known scientific fact) that painkillers are and do have dissociative properties.

I sometimes take opioids

That was the whole point of my essay! Painkillers are hallucinogens even though the FDA denies it and classifies them as “narcotics”; anything that’s a kappa-opioid receptor agonist (which many of the 150+ opioid alkaloids are), causes disassociation - dissociatives are good painkillers (like ketamine) for this reason. If you take enough painkillers, you’ll nod just as you would if you were taking heroin. Part of the reason you nod is because of that kappa opioid agonism, not just sedation, although that too plays a role. The nod however is a trance/dream-like state because of the kappa-opioid agonists at play.

But yeah, that’s why I wrote the whole essay; I found it very interesting when we learned this in class because I never viewed painkillers or opiates as hallucinogens either. But they are and one day the medical community will recognize (or should I say admit) it too. It’s kinda like how cannabis is called a narcotic even though it’s not.

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What did mescaline feel like to you? I always see everyone describe it as mushrooms, just without the possibility of a bad trip and feeling euphoria all over your body.

I am registered for APA.org through my university and have been seeing more and more studies on it for MDD (which interests me), you make it sound like it just gets you blasted though? Almost like the frat boy version of plant-based hallucinogens lol.

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I liked mescaline a lot because you can keep a connection to reality when on it. I remember alot of these synthesia moments meaning: haptically feeling music, smelling sounds, seeing tastes and stuff like this.

Bur you can have bad trips from it. Especially when you are alone. A pro is that there is almost no withdrawal like with most hallucinogens.

Mushrooms never gave me what i expected that is why i was into it for a time.