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[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

Seriously though.

I think the answer is because Christianity is actually centered around the martyrdom story of Jesus, rather than the teachings of Jesus. (Although it certainly depends on the denomination and the individual).

Once you realize that the whole reason Christianity is so popular and widespread is because of the martyrdom aspect, and the moral/social leverage that narrative provides, then it all makes sense, imo. Not saying all Christians are like this, but a lot of them are. They wield the narratives for social power, rather than actually following the teachings of Jesus. That's why they wear the cross.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

There's also the resurrection/eternal life aspect.

Eternal life in exchange for a life of obedience to the church's guidelines.

[–]Canbot 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

That is not a claim Christianity makes. You can literally be forgiven of your sins by confessing with the honest intent of being better. The criticism of religion that "it requires (or requests) obedience therefor is bad" is incredibly stupid. Not only is that a blanket criticism that can be levied at any and every religion, it essentially can be used to attack any structure including government or parental authority or any societal structure what so ever. Possibly the only thing that is exempt is total anarchy.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

That is not a claim Christianity makes. You can literally be forgiven of your sins by confessing with the honest intent of being better.

Separate graveyards exist where unbaptized babies were buried.

This was a very real threat to the parents of any newborn.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

A limbo garden where dancing is frowned on.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Spiritual terrorism.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That doesn't change anything.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The premise of religion that it requires blind faith in invisible beings and their alleged rules is incredibly stupid.

Blind faith in "authority" is also stupid but has been beaten into us since time began by their monopoly on violence.

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Religions don't by default require blind faith, they offer "miracles" as evidence. It gets reduced down to blind faith when you challenge the validity of the miracles. Many people believe they experience "tiny miracles" all the time. Regardless of whether that is completely imagined, they believe it and therefore to them it is not blind faith.

It also seems that you are conflating faith and obedience. They are not the same thing at all. Every structured system has rules. If you break the rules that structure falls apart. When you go to school you have to listen to the teacher. If everyone ignored that it would be chaos and no one could learn. So the argument that something is bad because it requires obedience is patently absurd.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Miracles are bunk too. Just because it's rare, misunderstood, or unexplained doesn't make it a "miracle". /s/memes/comments/4cjo/i_heard_its_easier_to/

Living from a place of gratitude is definitely better for you, but being naive is not.

I'm clearly not conflating faith and obedience because because I've indicated that there was coercive brainwashing on a mass scale that lead to the social virus we call social order, in which many people certainly have their doubts, but many do indeed have blind faith in their authority - regardless if they obey all their laws or not. Further, it's not the people telling us to obey and have blind faith in the authorities and experts - it's they that tell us that, not to mention their psychopathic compulsion for secrecy for whatever reasons - from "national security" to "covert operations" to "need to know" - all subjective bullshit and obscurantism to confuse and cover their mafia activities.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

" You can literally be forgiven of your sins... "

From a literal source, figuratively, allegedly. Some imaginary person will have some subjective imaginary judgements, then imaginary forgiveness - so the story goes.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'd take a short life with freedom over an eternity of enslavement.

I guess that's what this simulation life is about. Finding out who's worthy of being a good slave in the next level of the game.

[–]OcelotEntente 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Well to get more in depth, it's less about the martyrdom per se, and more about the spiritual martyrdom with progressing past the "harsh god" of the old testament

The old testament god was infamously brutal, and mass killings/sacrifices of potentially innocent people were condoned, like the first born Egyptian sons dying for the crimes of their leadership

Let's remember that at the time it was fully expected for followers of god to engage in regular sacrifices of animals as offerings as well, with some more fanatical sects of levantine faiths engaging in human sacrifices, alongside other very strict practices more focused on ritual than about the well being of the followers

The new god of the new testament reformed the harsh world, and offered up himself in a flesh and blood form, through his own son Jesus Christ, as a sacrifice to show his love for humanity and change the world

Hence "Jesus is the lamb of god", lambs being the animal traditionally sacrificed for rituals by human beings

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

the whole reason Christianity is so popular and widespread is because of the martyrdom aspect

Since when? That makes no sense. Is this why you like Christianity? Most people simply follow the religion of their parents. To explore why others converted to Christianity you would have to read a lot of history book, which you clearly did not. I can just about guarantee that people who did not originally believe in Christianity were simply told that Jesus died for them and went "well shit, I guess I should convert".

moral/social leverage that narrative provides,

Can you give an example of how this works?

They wield the narratives for social power,

I can't even imagine a scenario, no matter how absurd, that would actually give someone social power by talking about Jesus dying on the cross. It makes no sense at all.

rather than actually following the teachings of Jesus.

This right here, it seems to me, is the core of your belief. You came into this with the conclusion that Christians don't follow Jesus teachings and then created a whole fucking story to walk people to this claim. But your story is completely illogical, it does not support your conclusion, and your conclusion is clearly not derived from anything presented here; and sure as hell does not follow from "they wear the cross".

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

I forget what comedian saidit, but if Jesus were in the 20th or 21st century we'd all be wearing necklaces with electric chairs or lethal injection tables.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Or a bullet (firing squad).

Would suicide-by-cop fall into the state-sanctioned execution category?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Meh. I already ruined the joke. The punchline was just electric chair. I added injection table because I screwed up the opening by adding the 2 centuries instead of some contemporary phrase. I don't even recall how long ago I heard it but it stuck with me.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Can you make a meme of Jesus suicided by cops?

Try to make it really funny.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I try every time to make it really funny, but I have obvious limits. Some are funnier to different folks. Oddly enough I find my less funny obvious ones get more reactions.

Here you go:
https://saidit.net/s/memes/comments/4d8y/authority_a_tale_as_old_as_time/

I have 7 more finished on stand by but I don't want to excessively spam Saidit. I make them when I think of them, and now everything seems like a hypocritical joke.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Try to make it really funny.

I was being facetious. Making Cops shooting Jesus a funny thing is probably near impossible.

I'm sure that this one would be shipped over by Chappelle or Norm MacDonald, and they venture into taboo territory where most couldn't.

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    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    Not only that, but when did they decide it was a cross?

    A cross is a hellova thing to construct without power tools back in the day, including the base support.

    It's far more likely that people were crucified on a giant wooden "X" that could lean up against trees, boulders, walls, etc.

    [–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    a cross is a giant wooden "X" leaned over a bit....

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    But less tippy. And the meeting of the two beams doesn't require the same structural integrity.

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      [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I agree - assuming they actually want to make the extra effort.

      You could argue they want to make that effort because if they simply wanted to kill him a blow to the back of the neck would do it.

      The question is... how MUCH of a spectacle do they want to make.

      As far as the join goes, IMO, find a smaller branch to rest the cross beam on top. It need not hold the entire weight, but simply stop it from slipping down. Use rope to bind the beam just above that smaller branch nub and it shouldn't slide down. If it pivots that might actually add to the "enterainment" value and may indicate when all life is gone.

      Grim shit.

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        [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        I'm not saying they were ignoramuses and couldn't do it without the expertise of an engineer, the city council's digging permit, state authorization, health department, and all the other BS red tape of our modern age.

        I'm saying it takes much more effort. If you're simply trying to crucify a lot of people (ie. Spartacus, Game Of Thrones, etc) and don't have the time, resources, budget, etc. then an "X" would easily suffice and be more efficient.

        If it's a "grand" spectacle to strike fear into the hearts of the common masses and there is only one or three crosses, and if the earth or stone was workable, etc etc etc - then of course, plant the crucifix to grow the fear and make it more terribly epic.

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

        Because he told us to bear our cross.

        Did Jesus say that, or did the Romans add that?

        [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        Also "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" and "turn the other cheek" make for a good docile populace.

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        Radical pacifism during the Roman occupation.

        Resistance through violence against the Romans was doomed to fail.

        [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Freedoms were also sure to fail without resistance.

        [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

        Does it matter?

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

        Does it matter?

        Are you suggesting that Christians should follow the teachings of the Romans?

        [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

        What difference does it make to you?

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        Sounds like you probably follow the Roman teachings.

        [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        Sounds like you can't read very well, I am an atheist.

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        Sounds like you can't read very well, I am an atheist

        A) I tried my best to read your sentences.

        B) Did a quick word search on the page and wasn't able to find any statement where you are claiming atheism.

        C) You've defended quite a number of the church's teachings. The atheism claim is surprising.
        Although, you don't need to be a Christian to recognize the moral merits of Christianity. The moral virtues are worth defending.

        [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        I think you are confused because you are seeing everything through a lens of "us vs them" instead of "does this argument make sense". So when I point out that your argument doesn't make sense you assume I must be a "them".

        In a discussion about the meaning of symbols used by a religion it is a counterproductive distraction to start asking if particular aspects of the religion are valid. Clearly you don't think any of the religious beliefs are valid. You are just throwing a wrench into the discussion.

        So I am not "defending the church's teachings" when I ask why your wrench throwing is relevant to the discussion.

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Clearly you don't think any of the religious beliefs are valid.

        Quite the opposite.

        I like to ask questions.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        Early Christians used the fish.

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Yep. An ingenious sign for the early secret society.

        Two people facing each other.

        One would draw an arc in the sand with their foot.

        If the other person was "in the know" then they would add another arc beginning at the stating point of the first arc and crossing the arc somewhere in the middle of the first arc.

        The two combined arcs create the fish symbol that is now commonly recognized.

        Similar to a secret handshake.

        If the other person wasn't "in the know", then they probably wouldn't notice the first arc. Or at best would notice, but not understand.

        [–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

        A lot of people here taking the liberty to construct all kinds of narratives around this that really only expose thier bias. Tacking this on to your preconceived perception of christianity is not deep or accurate.

        As a non practicing catholic who never took any of this seriously I can add the following insight. Many of the "teaching" I grew up with focus on ideas like self sacrifice and "bearing your personal crosses". In that context Jesus's sacrifice of his life is the ultimate ideal that we should strive for. Not with the purpose of dying, but to do what is right no matter the cost.

        The symbol is that of altruism, selflessness, and struggle (in the sense of working hard).

        And I will add that it is increadibly ignorant to take some else's symbol and attach your own meaning and draw some kind of conclusion about them from that.

        [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

        I designed this for a T-shirt for my ex's Catholic dad who always used to say "work, sacrifice, die" (to guilt his kids?): Life: Work, Sacrifice, Die

        [–]Canbot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

        I don't think that his religion was the only thing that influenced his affinity to that catch phrase. A lot of boomers of all denominations would agree with that. Working hard and sacrificing to give your kids a better life so they could have a springboard to more success than you could achieve was the American dream. It was all about the ability to build a legacy. To build wealth. To make tomorrow better than today, and projecting that growth indefinitely down your lineage.

        That is why a strong, long lasting nation is so important to them. It is the promise that what they built will not be taken by foreign powers. It is also why they hate socialism. Because socialism will make all their hard work and sacrifice void by taking from their kids and giving it away to all the kids of all the people who did not work hard and sacrifice.

        [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

        The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

        If the Boomers (as well as Gen X, Millennials, and now Gen Zoomers) were more aware of propaganda the middle class wouldn't have been hollowed out and this manufactured pandemic crisis wouldn't fly. But who has time to be aware when you're too busy working and sacrificing only to have it stolen by the ruling class?

        We're told about enemies, foreign and domestic - yet manage to ignore the domestic ones telling us about "terrorism" and "lone shooters" while their corporate crime dwarfs all the petty small time shit that plagues the ghettos and fills the prisons.

        Billionaires pay millionaires to tell the middle class that the poor are the problem.

        Stop fucking worrying about the masses of powerless poor people and punch up and fight the ruling class criminals. Who fucking cares if Joe Blow is a lazy fuck "scamming the system" that doesn't offer him any decent motivating opportunities, when Joe Biden's lazy fuck son and his kind are corrupt as hell doing international scams that affect millions if not billions of people?

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        +3

        [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

        The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

        The perfect quote for leftist policies. Welfare is the perfect example. People on welfare never get the opportunity to develop into productive members of society. They don't develop the skills needed to be successful in the workforce, they don't get the opportunity to work their way up and build a career, they don't learn any skills, they don't network. Welfare is like a drug, you get a high and you get addicted. The end result is terrible.

        punch up

        A phrase often used by the left to justify their anti white racism, or to shut down criticism of their bullshit. Stop looking at everything through a lens of us vs them. There is no punching up or down, there is only truth and lies, right and wrong, logical and illogical.

        Joe Biden's corruption does not justify Joe Blows corruption. It is not a valid argument to tell people to ignore Joe just because Biden is corrupt.

        I'm not against welfare, but it has to be reformed. We absolutely need to stop pushing for more and more welfare. If we do that maybe we will be able to work together to put a stop to Biden's corruption.

        [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

        More crappy blanket statements loaded with conservative stereotypes and talking points. You clearly have no idea what you're even talking about.

        Sure, just keep punching down and ignore the corporatocracy, and maybe they'll both just evaporate of their own accord. I said NOTHING about anti-white racism. I'm white. Bring on the criticism - without the stupid talking points. The ONLY us vs them that matters is the ruling class's class warfare. Billionaires pay millionaires to tell the middle class the poor are the problem while completely ignoring the profoundly criminal corporate crime. Your binary black and white world has ZERO nuance, shades, or colour, and I feel sorry for you.

        You can't solve the poor until you solve the ruling class.

        Who are you to judge Joe Blow and his "corruption" that is likely on par with your own. Certainly your vane morality is an obnoxious sin. I'm telling anyone to ignore Joe Blow but we can't worry about a splinter if there's a missing leg needing triage. The globalist corporatocracy IS THE GREATEST THREAT TO HUMANITY. And they are responsible for the circumstances, position, and limits of Joe Blow. I'm all for reforming welfare (quantity is not the issue when they can just print money on whims - quality is) - but it means absolutely NOTHING without completely overhauling the 1% ruling class. Sadly I see no solutions - other than greater mass awareness and contextual understanding that all governments and giant corporations are EVIL. Fuck Biden AND Trump and all those fuckers.

        You show zero greater contextual understanding.

        [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

        The ONLY us vs them that matters is the ruling class's class warfare.

        No it's not

        Your binary black and white world has ZERO nuance

        My binary world? This is literally double speak.

        You can't solve the poor until you solve the ruling class.

        You can't solve poor period. It is a relative state. The people on welfare in America are richer than most people who work in 3rd world countries, let alone the billions of jobless people around the world. They would not be considered poor if there were a global standard. So at this point they are not really poor, just poorer than others in America, and so they want more. That is just greed. And greed is a bottomless pit you can never fill.

        I am all for fighting the corruption of the rich, and if you can't solve poor without it then let's stop demanding more welfare until we solve corporate corruption.

        Who are you to judge Joe Blow and his "corruption" that is likely on par with your own.

        I am not corrupt. I don't scam anyone or anything. And I certainly would never have the audacity to demand that if I did others better look the other way and not judge me.

        And they are responsible for the circumstances, position, and limits of Joe Blow

        fuck off. Everyone is born naked and destitute. It is your parent's responsibility to provide for you. Not the state, not the rich, not your neighbors. It is Joe Blow's parent's who are responsible for the circumstances, position, and limits of Joe Blow.

        You show zero greater contextual understanding.

        Your impression that you have a greater contextual understanding is pure delusion.

        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        Brrrr, brrrrr money printing. Lets be honest, there should not be any safety nets for large corporations. Oh wait the US is a corporation. The sate perpetually bailsput corporations on trillion dollar welfare tickets.

        Most billionaires fuck the little people. They are in opposition to Yeshua. I'm not jeaouls of them, for they have free will to do as they please. A farmer who is on welfare works far harder than most billionaires do.

        [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        The problem with leftist policies that claim to go after the money of billionaires is that they never actually go after the billionaires but in actuality the middle class are the ones who get the bill.

        They put out propaganda about how it is unfair that the .001% have 50% of all wealth and the bottom 50% have 5% or some shit and then the solution is a welfare program that takes money out of the pockets of the middle class who pay all the taxes while the 1% still don't pay a dime. Meanwhile the welfare program is the 50th one and the last 49 did absolutely nothing to reduce inequality because all the money you hand over to the welfare class is squandered. And now the middle class, who would have used that money to start a business or fund an innovation can't afford to do that.

        [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        That is not the problem of "leftist policies" - that is a problem of political corruption - on both sides of the aisle.

        I agree that welfare is little a band-aid on a major traumatic wound when we should be worried about the bigger picture, the rigged unfair systems, the endless "laws" in their favour, and the excessive leverage of the ruling class - and all of these factors are causing the major traumatic wound. We need to deal with the source of the wound, but we still need that little band-aid as it's keeping millions of people alive, and we need to make it bigger and improve its efficacy.

        The middle class are NOT held back by the poor.

        They are held back by the policies handed down by the ruling class.

        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

        I agree on the welfare stance. But there is far more money hoarded and locked up than what is circulating. We need to rid of the unconstitutional federal reserve and bring back sound tangible currency not backed by Taxes through labour.

        [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        I agree. The fact that we have handed over our currency to central bankers who have the power to print the money at will, while the government has to borrow from them and pay it back with tax dollars is absolutely retarded and unjustifiable.

        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Yes, it's printed by the Incorporated FED which is unconstitutional but backed by permanent public debt; ie. public labour and taxes is collateral to pay back interest. Then they flood the money supply creating inflation and therefore devalue your worth and labour.l via stagnation of wages. Scumbags.

        Then they buy up property and assets at firesale prices. Boom and bust is the game.

        The problem is; the more they do this crap; the more people are going to be homeless or on welfare. Farmers can barely get by. And they want this; it is their goal.

        [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        Decentralized banking. North Dakota bank keeps their wealth in North Dakota, despite a century of the establishment trying to siphon off their wealth to Wall Street.

        There's no rational reason why there can't be state or even city currencies - or any number of diverse ways to exchange value.

        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        North Dakota still trades on wallstreet and the real reason they, "North Dakota" did fine throughout the 2008 collapse was because of their oil wells.

        That would be a start to a more community based banking system, but I still believe Jackson's and Jefferson's silver certificate currency NOT based on government bonds would be a better option.

        It starts at central banking. Public banking attached to the head of the FED is just better shit but still shit.

        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        However, public banking is an option and would be far better than the bric and mortar banks today, but it still is attached to the FED and it uses Federal Reserve botes backed by government bonds.

        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        Yes, but it starts at a federal level. If public banking is attached to money backed by government bonds then it essentially maintains permanent public debt. Decentralized Public banking based on silver ceetificates and indepedent treasuries and holding houses are a far better option in my honest opinion.

        [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Comparing the poor to the destitute is BEYOND IGNORANT. The entire system prevents any of them from rising. They don't choose that life and to live in squalor their entire lives without bettering themselves and their world. That is NOT A CHOICE.

        " if you can't solve poor without it then let's stop demanding more welfare until we solve corporate corruption. "

        What the hell kind of fucked up logic is that? Let them all suffer and die until we solve the unsolvable?

        WRONG

        If anything we need more compassion for the poor and they deserve more chances to escape, climb, and opportunity to join us in the crusade against the unfair rigged systems. THEY are our ALLIES in this struggle against a few who own more than half the world COMBINED.

        I'm quite certain that Joe Blow would not consider themselves corrupt either. Your opinion is yours, his is his. Why should yours affect his life? Why should the billionaires' affect ours? Punch up to free all of us and save your moral bullshit for fertilizer.

        " fuck off. " Classy argument. Back atcha.

        You show zero greater contextual understanding.

        If the corporatocracy oppresses your parents, their communities, and the nation, then it's a greater problem than just "the responsibility of the parents".

        " Your impression that you have a greater contextual understanding is pure delusion. "

        We all have our limits. At least I'm willing to be open to the possibility. I welcome anyone else who might like to chime in and back that up so that I might learn. However, I'm confident you're the delusional one in this matter.

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        Many of the "teaching" I grew up with focus on ideas like self sacrifice and "bearing your personal crosses". In that context Jesus's sacrifice of his life is the ultimate ideal that we should strive for.

        Do you think this was Jesus's message?

        Are you under the opinion that the Romans wouldn't have censored/edited out the inconvenient portions of the Bible?

        Don't you think it's surprising that there isn't a book of Jesus? He had ample followers and the means.

        Some of the apostles even have books to their names.

        IIRC: The Romans changed the date of the Sabbath (Saturday) to suit their cultural priorities (Sun God Sunday).

        [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        The Jews already had Saturday, i.e. the seventh day, the day God rested. The Christians got Sunday and then the Muslims got Friday because that was all that was left.

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        The Jews already had Saturday, i.e. the seventh day

        The original Christians were also Jews.

        You're actually arguing the exact point I was making.

        Keep holy the Sabbath.

        [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Like I said before, I never took any if it seriously.

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          [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

          I don't understand the eating of the body and drinking of the blood cannibalistic ceremony.

          [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

          Crucially, the blood of the innocent...

          [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

          Crucially? But why? And the need for sacrifices? Fuckin stupid.

          I understand drinking the blood of your enemies or the guilty who "deserve" to be vanquished, from a logical view. But the innocent should deserve compassion and shelter.

          [–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          Communion is the weekly dose of innocent blood to cure you of your sins.

          They need to top you off...

          [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          First you gotta buy into the notion of sins, beyond Natural Law: do not harm (including steal) nor deceive (info harm).

          If ever there was a sinner: /s/memes/comments/4d1a/highlevel_conspiracies/

          [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          First you gotta buy into the notion of sin

          Sin is an easy sell. Everyone has a lasting sensation when they know they've done wrong. There's something to it, but I don't know if it's a lifetime accounting.

          Also, they generally sell the concept(s) as a missionary package deal.

          We're focusing on some details that have been layered on to "Christianity".

          Christianity was originally popular as a radical form of pacifism, predicated on the idea that all people are equal in the eyes of God.

          It also follows that rituals and sacrifices (and other rules imposed by other men) aren't necessary to have a personal connection with the creator. He can personally forgive you.

          The Roman Catholic Church added layers of illegitimate fine print and vulgarized the original and exceedingly principled version(s?) of Christianity.

          The Roman institutions were/are serial corrupter/co-opters.

          [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I have lots of regrets, but that doesn't make them sins.

          Television is the new church now. Watch regularly to be programmed to obey authority. Before it was weekly surmons.

          You ever check out Joseph Atwill's doc and book on Caesar's Messiah?

          [–]proc0 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          So Christians are wearing a miniature execution device on their necks.

          [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          The West is the best as the Cult of Death.