why do we need guns?

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[–]Zombi 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Except you can't use a fire extinguisher to start a fire. I agree that guns are necessary for protection in certain situations, but we shouldn't be loading up our teachers with guns; I think that's just a recipe for disaster.

There's also the fact that there are plenty of other countries with much less guns while also having much less mass shootings (or none at all) so I don't think the issue has much to do with guns. I think mass shootings are a very complex issue and I think guns are just a single piece that enables them to happen. If guns weren't here there'd be mass stabbings instead, or bombings, or some other horrible thing to fill that gap.

All in all, less guns probably won't solve the issue just like how more guns won't solve the issue. Actually understanding the root cause of the issue will solve it. Arguing over gun laws and distribution just stalls the progress being made.

[–]Gearrion 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Who claims more guns won't solve the issue? It would solve the issue and is already a proven fact in Isreal.

[–]Zombi 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm claiming guns won't solve the issue as in my example there are plenty of countries with stricter gun laws yet less mass shootings which kinda contradicts that point. If guns deterred violence then you'd expect the places with the most guns would be the least violent, but there are countries that have much stricter guns laws that have either zero or very few mass shootings.

[–]Gearrion 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am claiming your claim as false, due to the fact that terrorism is in fact higher in those places.

[–]Zombi 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

First of all: I am speaking of mass shootings, not terrorism, but whatever potayto-potahtoh.

Second: I'm claiming that gun laws seem to be very ineffective at deterring attacks. Whether there are guns or aren't, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference.

So, with that out of the way, you're still incorrect. If anything, terrorism is on the RISE within the U.S. Europe had a rough time pre-2000's, but since the new millenia they've been a surprisingly safe area of the world with very few, if any, terrorist attacks besides that spike in 2015 due to the Paris attacks.

So, again, ARGUING ABOUT GUN LAWS SOLVES NOTHING. THE PRESENCE OR ABSENCE OF GUNS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MASS SHOOTINGS OR TERRORIST ATTACKS. THAT IS THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE:

Western Europe:

https://www.datagraver.com/case/people-killed-by-terrorism-per-year-in-western-europe-1970-2015

USA:

https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_AmericanTerrorismDeaths_FactSheet_Nov2017.pdf