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[–]FlippyKing 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I just want to confirm that you are not saying it is not a "real" word, yes?

Trotsky must have been speaking in Russian, or he would not have been understood. The words he was using would have been Russian, and come out of Russian cultural as languages are born out of cultures and reflect their cultures. The translation of that word into English then is also going to carry with it assumptions made by the translator, if Trotsky's word is the birth of the word. But Richard Henry Pratt may have coined "racism" long before that. Regardless of who first coined the word, it is just a mechanical process applied to any word, in this case the word being: race. It seems to me the origin of the word is not really knowable or meaningful, because of the nature of the English langage: once a word exists, the variations of it all also exist. Run was not born separate from running or ran. Racism and racist are right there along with the word race from day one, used or not.

But, my use of the word, was simply because "religious bigotry" is cumbersome. Regardless, it is irrelevant to the point I'm making and it was just speculation about the dude "hector died of aids" motivations and goals in posting-- which he has no issue with even if he thinks the word is not a real word.

If Trotsky and Bolsheviks were really trying to usher in a socialism of any kind is very debatable. The debate has roots going back long before the Russian revolution. I think it was Rudolph Rocker who pointed out the incongruities between previous goals and ideas of socialists and the Bolsheviks placing the Party above and separate from the actual population-- as if the party were some non-human entity above the people, and the people running the party then above that. Rocker also details the fact that the Soviet economy was a state-run capitalism, where the "soviets", workers, were shut out of decision making and had no control over the means of production. The idea that you can be socialist but deny the worker control over their own production is laughable. They did this though through violence and totalitarianism, most clearly in what they did to the Makhnovshchina and to Ukrainian farmers who should have had at least some sovereignty over their labor if they were really socialist. (very easy listens of Rocker's works are easily found at Audible Anarchist's youtube page. His "Anarcho-syndicalism: theory and practice" has a good summary of these ideas, and his "Nationalism and Culture" is much longer and more detailed.)

Obsessing over the Jewishness of some people who abuse power seems to give a free pass to their peers who are not Jewish, and I think misses the point and misses what people should be organizing against. Does it matter what religion someone is, or what they are doing to people? George Soros is no more of a bastard than JD Rockefeller or the Koch brothers because of his religion. The damage he does is not made greater by his religion than the damage done by the Bushes or Obama or the Clintons.

[–]RuinedRook 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I just want to confirm that you are not saying it is not a "real" word, yes?

Just to be clear, I'm not the guy who said that. That outta the way, obviously it's a real word today. I think the etymology is debatable. The term 'racist' was used by the Bolsheviks to instigate class warfare. Not too different from what's going on in the western world in 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhi2icRXbHo&t=4s

[–]FlippyKing 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The idea that the bolsheviks used the term "racist" to instigate class warfare makes absolutely no sense. The left, the entire left, in Europe and Russia were already trying to instigate class warfare along class lines. The bolsheviks were actively involved in a class war already. Race was then, as it is now a distraction from class and class warfare. If anything the Bolsheviks were trying to distract from class war, especially since they were emerging as the ruling class. You idea makes no sense.

Also, I was responding to this quote: "by banks you mean jews, and i agree with that". It is a total non-sequitur and a stupid assumption about banks and bankers. Are the German banks, that dominate Europe and screwed over Portugal, Ireland, and Greece, "jews", or are they banks? If you didn't know which, which would matter and which wouldn't? Banks control money, "jews" control too many imaginations it seems. But, rest assured the German banks are banks, not jews. Is Barclays who are neck deep in banking problems in Great Britan "jews"? They are Quakers and try to adhere to Quaker principles (poorly in some cases).

What would you call someone who conflates "jews" with the entire banking industry? Would you call them racist, anti-semitic, stupid, wise, or something else? I can appreciate you might have a problem with how I characterize the comment I responded to, but then how would you characterize it? Please, enlighten me. Maybe I should have chosen anti-Semitic but I don't like that term, as Palestinians are Semitic. I think I should have chosen stupid, because the Jewish guy that used to cut my hair isn't a banker nor is the cab driver who used to live across the street from me. Nor are any of the people working on Wall St and in finance and banking that are Irish or Italian, Black, English and every other ethnicity. Along with stupid I should have called it counter-productive, because when talking about Master Card it is class war and has nothing to do with religion or ethnicity. How would you characterize it?

One last request: how does the term "racist" instigate "class" warfare, when it distracts from it? Here's how you instigate class warfare: Eat the Rich, blast "rolling down rodeo" while rolling down rodeo, pointing out that Nancy Pelosi's Ice Cream collection was her "let them eat cake" moment reminding everyone of what fate befell Marie Antoinette. How do make class warfare trip over its own feet? By having a disfunctional obsession with "jews", or white people, or anything irrelevant trait.

[–]AllStr8SexIsRape 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Pelosi needs to go. The honky breeder bitch is proof that wops cannot be allowed to govern actual humans.

[–]AllStr8SexIsRape 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The term "Bolshevik" was used by racist white hetero-gentile oppressor class scum to exploit the workers. Communism doesn't go far enough in solving the problem.