A trash heap 62 meters high shows the scale of India's climate challenge

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[–]Questionable 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

Environmentalism is not the same thing as climate change. That's just a huge pile of garbage. Claiming it represent anything other than filth is a lie.

Hey! Do you wish to see something truly terrifying? Look at the push back and denial in this thread!

[–]BISH 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Environmentalism is not the same thing as climate change.

Yep. It's a pollution issue. Period.

They never call it "global warming" anymore, because it's all bullshit. Man made climate change is a hoax.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

what's fucked is all of the effort that went into climate change rather than pollution and toxins. recycling is a goddamn lie too.

[–]BISH 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Environmentalism is not the same thing as climate change.

Yep. It's a pollution issue. Period.

They never call it "global warming" anymore, because it's all bullshit. Man made climate change is a hoax.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

That's just a huge pile of garbage. Claiming it represent anything other than filth is a lie.

From the fucking article:

Methane is the second most abundant greenhouse gas after carbon dioxide, but a more potent contributor to the climate crisis because methane traps more heat. India creates more methane from landfill sites than any other country, according to GHGSat, which monitors methane via satellites.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think you may be wasting your time citing greenhouse gas information to climate deniers, its like talking to a brick wall. The article had plenty of information about how the trash mountain was poisoning their water, and I have seen even climate denying saiditors care about industrial poisons in the environment. I had hoped saiditors would care about this, but I suspect many did not read the article because the title had 'climate' in it.

[–]Questionable 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You have linked climate change to environmental damage because the article juxtaposes these 2 things in it. Do you see the problem? There is no cause and effect, it's simply expecting you to have an emotional reaction, and then for you to bridge that gap on your own. Now lets talk about 'carbon footprint' shall we? All life on earth is carbon based. This will remain a reality, even if all humans die. And plants thrive on CO2. Their next target? Nitrogen. 78% of the atmosphere is nitrogen. It's the bases of fertilizer. Do we talk about the power grid, and how it is impossible for anything more than a minority to go electric?

Even die hard liberal Matt Groening new whats up 32 years ago, when the world had already been forecasted to have ended.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/fc3c7b2e-512f-4c56-ac81-cbba5857217e

You want us to pretend that an electric car is more energy efficient than a gas vehicle or diesel? Because it's not.

climate deniers,

Simple labels, are used to more easily discredit people. It's an aspect of physiological conditions. It's is done as it is easier to label and discredit, then to think about what is being said. As a person who has recently spoken up about the pyramid of debate, I am well certain you know what that is called. Name calling. /\/\

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Yes. From the 'fucking article'. You're mistake is assuming good faith on their part, where as in fact they are pushing a narrative to appease their owner that pay them to do so. Oh who am I kidding? Nobody here trusts you, as you seem only interested in 'winning' arguments, and care little for facts, or truthfulness.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

You're mistake is assuming good faith on their part, where as in fact they are pushing a narrative to appease their owner that pay them to do so.

Oh, you think they made up that methane leaks from landfill?

There's a whole industry generating power by burning methane captured from such sites.

You'd better let them know about this "bad faith" thing, before they find out themselves when the generators stop working.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

OH look, you are highlighting a single random meaningless point from the article, and acting like it matters in some way, and that we are going to debate it.

Hey fun fact! You don't need to burn just the methane. You can instead burn the waste before it generates methane in a waste to energy plant. Because what you just said is a retarded waste of time and resources. And nets less energy.

In addition, none of which proves good faith on behalf of the author, who is paid to push the agendas of the WEF.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

OH look, you are highlighting a single random meaningless point from the article,

No the part of the article that the headline is based on, and that you didn't get in your comment: "Environmentalism is not the same thing as climate change. That's just a huge pile of garbage. Claiming it represent anything other than filth is a lie."

Now that I've taken my time to explain why this is related to climate change, by simply reading the fucking article, you will now feel much better informed.

I'm not going to debate it, because there's nothing more to be said, and you're welcome.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Right. Because I'm talking about the WEF banking cartel, and you are quoting Main Stream Media as facts. You are Not the Player Character.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Because I'm talking about the WEF banking cartel

Are you.

The article is about methane emissions from landfill in India.

and you are quoting Main Stream Media as facts.

No. Just the same fucking article you are commenting on.

You are not the player character.

What the fuck do you possibly mean to convey with that sentence?

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Are you.

The article is about

Congratulations. You now recognized the difference between me and the article.

What the fuck do you possibly mean to convey with that sentence?

Bit slow aren't we?

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Congratulations. You now recognized the difference between me and the article.

This started with a comment you posted which showed that you hadn't even read the article. I have no problem telling the difference.

Bit slow aren't we?

Either that or you're posting meaningless dribble. I tend to suspect that latter, as you don't have a history in this thread or others of leaning too hard on reality for support.

[–]MightyMorphinFaggot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why do they quote nasa and throw insults? 0 effort from a single person to say why that's a thing.

[–]Countach_3D 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Environmentalism is not the same thing as climate change.

This is true, but

Fires caused by heat and methane gas sporadically break out and some deep beneath the pile can smolder for weeks or months. Bhalswa and Ghazipur landfills contribute to the country's total output of methane gas.

Methane is the second most abundant greenhouse gas after carbon dioxide, but a more potent contributor to the climate crisis because it traps more heat.

(and needless to say much of that trash is plastic, which releases massive amounts of air pollution during its manufacture.)

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My main concern is actually the narrative of assumed corruption. The Word Economic Forum can use this to destroy a lot of lives, and profit off of these talking points, provided they can convince you of this. Where in fact, they are the corruption.

[–]cunninglingus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Excellent article. It's good to see the US MSM address this at some length. South Asians (some of whom are in the US MSM) would rather we not read about the endemic corruption and associated problems in India.

The second photo is amazing.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But trying to link every environmental issue to climate change is not helpful. Much like Pakistan getting flooded due to deforestation and blaming the climate rather than actually stopping cutting down trees.

Because the climate lobby is just another gravy train and a way to be corrupt.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I thought the trash mountain and the poisoned water were disturbing enough, but agree this is not a climate change issue, although MSM can't seem to help themselves when this would have stood on its own without invoking climate change

[–]cunninglingus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But trying to link every environmental issue to climate change is not helpful. Much like Pakistan getting flooded due to deforestation and blaming the climate rather than actually stopping cutting down trees.

OK

Because the climate lobby is just another gravy train and a way to be corrupt.

Seems that's what we'll discover about the recent UK wind farm, when the bills are due. But still, we must transition from fossil fuels. The climate lobby is not the problem. Those who are selling off resources and services that should be nationalised are a big part of the problem.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I do think its an excellent article, and I don't often post from MSM outlets like CNN. However I wish they would not have included 'climate change' in the title, as I believe the trash mountain, water pollution, and other environmental issues stand strongly on their own, without giving climate deniers a reason to ignore the non-climate related harms that are happening here, as you can see from posters like Questionable who has focused only on this claim and dismissed the rest of the article, probably without reading it. This could be an environmental issue that everyone agrees on, even if they don't believe in climate change, so I think this was a missed opportunity to bring new people on board with concern for the environment. Instead they seem to have chosen to focus on addressing readers who likely are already sufficiently concerned with these issues, rather than the consensus building we would need to overcome conservative resistance and effectively address these problems. IMO, the correct strategy is to address these types of articles to the people who DON'T already understand the severity of the problems, and do it in a way that they are likely to be receptive to, rather than people who are already on board with environmental concerns and don't need convincing to vote for a clean environment

[–]cunninglingus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Agreed - though this seems to be a nuance the biggest news media companies rarely consider, if ever. Journalists of those larger companies tend to write for a 12-year-old reading level, to reach the broadest audience possible. I don't think the mention of climate change annoys enough of the general audience, nor should it. But there are ways in which the MSM tries to pander to the right wing - and I'd argue that CNN helped elect Trump because he was part of their top story for months leading up to his eleciton, only because of an insane daily tweet. In any event - yes - the MSM should focus much more on the bigger picture, rather than speak mainly to one kind of audience (when or if that's happening).

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Its not just a media issue to me. Republicans and Democrats used to be able to find common ground on issues and compromise. We know the right wing is resistant to fossil fuel stuff in general, but other types of pollution seem like they could be potential common ground issues to at least get something done and move in the right direction, rather than being gridlocked, and it makes me sad to see people on saidit dismiss this article b/c of the climate change in the title, when they have shown they do care about issues like poison in the environment, which was really the main focus of this article

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OH they're still finding common ground. It's called the uni-party, otherwise known as the deep state. It's why the environmentalist Al Gore didn't contest the election, as both him and George Bush Jr. are grifters that act in bad faith to enrich themselves.

Lets take Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker for example. Dishonest in Gods name. Do you actually believe that atheists exhibit any more purity then they did scamming their followers, simply because they do so in the name of 'science'?

You live in a false reality. One where you will act against your own best interest, because you believe you are doing the right thing. Sure I could point to the current vaccines, or charities for Ukraine, and BLM. But it's all the same scam. And at the bottom of it isn't a political movement, or religion. It's simply the fractional baking system, as it corrupts everything it touches. Yes, it really is that simple.

[–]Countach_3D 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

for you burgercels 62 m ~ 205 ft

[–]chadwickofwv 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The author apparently has never been to landfill.

[–]filbs111 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

what a load of rubbish!