It's true there is no global warming

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[–]iamonlyoneman 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Hm every time I look at the charts produced by people who cool the past data points, the line always trends consistently up

But when I look at the University of Alabama dataset that ignores urban heat islands and isn't fraudulently changed for political reasons, it shows three zero-trend periods separated by big El Nino years where there are step changes.

So obviously the people who aren't cooling the past for grant money purpose are the ones telling me the truth.

[–]weavilsatemyface[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

But when I look at the University of Alabama dataset

You got a link to that? Because the one I know of shows pretty obvious warming over 40+ years.

it shows three zero-trend periods separated by big El Nino years where there are step changes.

And the El Nino step changes reverse afterwards do they? There's a step down after each step up?

Proof that every staircase goes nowhere and does not rise above ground level: the stairs are flat, zero-trend, followed by a big step up. Therefore the steps aren't rising! Checkmate scientists!

[–]Davethe_blank_ 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm sorry, but you're a fucking idiot. Anyone clamoring on the global warming hysteria nonsense train is a fucking idiot. You think you're so smart and care so much about the planet, but too fucking stupid to realize that water vapor is far more prevalent and is very close in wavelengths of light that are absorbed by CO2. CO2 that gas essential to life on this planet but is only .04% of the atmosphere and humans only contribute to 4% of that. But go ahead and talk about graphs from bought and sold "scientists" you fucking moron.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dave is right.

[–]weavilsatemyface[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

too fucking stupid to realize that water vapor is far more prevalent.

I know that water vapour is the stronger greenhouse gas than CO2. But its not water vapour increasing in the earth's atmosphere at an unprecedented rate, its CO2. CO2 is the trigger that, if left unchecked, will start a disastrous feedback cycle that more CO2 leads to more warming that leads to

  • less ice to reflect sunlight back into space (more warming)
  • more evaporation and water vapour (more warming)
  • methane released from permafrost (more warming).

CO2 is not the only or even the strongest greenhouse gas, but it is the key to keeping it under control.

[–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://i.imgur.com/1WnfSJD.jpg

compare to CO2 (which, hint, is unrelated): https://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/CO2-model-vs-MLO-1950-2021.jpg

Did I say there's no warming trend, or did I say you were being lied to?

[–]CreditKnifeMan 11 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

Hockey Stick Broken! “Scientist” Michael Mann Loses in Court, Forced to Pay Court Costs — Global Warming Hoax Hit Hardest

[–]weavilsatemyface[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What actually happened was that crackpot geologist Tim Ball applied to the court to have the defamation case against him dropped due to (1) his age and ill-health, and (2) delays from the Michael Mann team, and the court agreed that instead of hearing the case on its merits, they would drop it as an act of mercy on a sick old man.

Hilariously, part of Ball's defence was that, and I quote, his claims are “given no credibility by the average, reasonable reader”. In other words, Ball's defence is that his claims about Mann are so idiotic that no reasonable person will believe them, and that's why it's not defamation.

(Ball attempted the same defence when he was sued by Andrew Weaver for defamation, only that time it didn't work. The appeals court agreed that his views were idiotic and not based on any actual science, but were still defamatory.)

The court agreed that due to Ball's age and ill health, they will drop the case. That is all.

By the way, it is a total, 100% lie that Mann has not released his data. Here it is, and it has been available for more than a decade.

[–]CreditKnifeMan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wrong again.

The court order Mann to provide the data that was used in his study.

If the data was legit, then he would have surely provided it.
Assuming he had nothing to hide.

Clearly, Mann had something to hide.

Mann brought the lawsuit, and then was too cowardly to attempt to prove his own case in court.

The public is expected to believe the "science" when they are using secret data.

Climate science comedy writes itself. It's a joke.

[–]Canbot 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Typical slander from the left.

Why don't you show us where exactly the "climate change deniers" are manipulating data.

You can't because the truth is literally the opposite of your claim here.

[–]zyxzevn 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Fake graph in many ways. The fact is that a few scientists manipulated the data to make it seem warmer. And everyone who disagreed with them got fired from the job.

See: /s/ClimateSkeptics for details.

[–]weavilsatemyface[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The fact is that a few scientists manipulated the data to make it seem warmer. And everyone who disagreed with them got fired from the job.

Is that a fact fact, or Epstein actually killed himself, the vaccines stop you from getting Covid, and Trump tried to overthrow the US government "fact"?

[–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Check the links in the sub /s/ClimateSkeptics
It is full of verifiable examples where you can see that the climate is not getting hotter, but the news is becoming more and more fake.

You can also check this article that goes into the different narrative errors:
Article link

[–]weavilsatemyface[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can also check this article that goes into the different narrative errors:

I got one item in and that's all I needed to see to know that they are not having a good faith debate, but spreading misinformation and false doubt. I mean, seriously, they're pointing at long term cycles that take anything up to 400,000 years to act, and trying to blame them for changes that are occurring over a period of decades and years. They must think their readership is dumber than people that think that lesbians have dicks to try that one.

"My god, it's hot in here, can I turn the heat down? You've got the thermostat set to 100°F. no wonder the furnace is running full bore!"

"Don't be stupid, its not hot because the furnance is on maximum. Its hot because summer is coming, it's only six months away! You're a mad conspiracy theorist if you think running the furnace on full is why the house is hot!!!"

Quoting from the article: "Yes, the climate scientists ignore the sun." -- this is a lie, and an easily disproved one. You have to be willfully ignorant to fall for this. It took literally one google search "IPCC influence of sun" to disprove the lie:

  • the IPCC found that the sun is slightly cooling even as the climate is warming;
  • you might be amazed to learn that NASA studies the sun;
  • so does NOAA;
  • and just in case you think it is only Americans who have concluded that the warming is man-made, here is a paper from six Chinese scientists, in China, stating definitively that China has warmed more than the global average, and that natural factors including the sun have contributed just 0.21°C degrees of that warming.

No, they don't ignore the sun. Nor do they ignore clouds, or volcanoes, or the urban heat island effect, or the difference between bare earth and trees, or the influence of dust and particulate pollution. The only possible way you can think that they do is by very, very carefully avoiding reading or listening to anything by climate scientists.

Climate denialists are like the Big Pharma shills who carefully ignore all the reports in VAERS so they can say that there are no vaccine side-effects. And like Big Pharma, it's all about protecting their profits.

[–]agelmat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

It's kind of funny to imagine millions upon millions of people with bigger brains than yours deciding to cover up a conspiracy.

Human caused Climate change is real. The only thing being debated how it's going to impact us or whether the impacts are negative or not.

[–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Some people say that based on the data, we are now in the cooling cycle again.

There is no global warming, unless the sun starts flaring us.
A simple flare ((>100,000 Kelvin)) already has shown to raise the temperature a few degrees for a week.
Most (99%) of the other warming or cooling is caused by water in the air.
And then we have volcanoes causing huge changes, if they are active.

For some reason the solar activity happens in cycles,.
These cycles are not studied well because it is about electricity.
And the NASA and mainstream astronomers want to avoid that.

[–]agelmat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

And then we have volcanoes causing huge changes, if they are active.

You are willing to accept that volcanos can cause temperature increases. But some how the idea that the millions of factories that are like volcanoes that never stop erupting can't affect the climate. Amazing.

[–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Huge outbursts of volcanoes can darken the sky for days. Still have to see a factory do that.
But indeed pollution is bad. In China cities were filled with smog until they started installing smog-removers.
Wars and deforestation are even more destructive.
But the influence of CO2 from factories is minimal. Plants and trees eat it to grow.

In practice we see earth getting warmer with less CO2 during the Covid Lockdowns, but the climate science is so bad,
that I think that they skipped the influence of the sun.
We also see less clouds during 9/11 due to less planes initiating clouds with their contrails.
The meltdowns of Fukushuma may have killed 90% of the live on the bottom of the sea (like sea stars), but I have to see more research for verification.

The World Economic Forum will massively destroy nature with their centralized planning, destructive GMO technology, immigration and industrialization. It would look worse than Shanghai and Chicago combined,, as it is the combination of both political systems.

[–]agelmat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

https://www.google.com/search?q=%20factory%20pollution%20darkens%20sky&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m

Have a look at these nice photos of skies being blackened by factories.

You might want to get out of your basement more. Go see what goes on near industrial hell holes.

[–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

We were talking about the climate yes? Or pollution?
Know that the WEF does not consider pollution a problem, even when it is destroying countries.

[–]agelmat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Climate change and pollution are related.

[–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The sun is doing a lot of the climate change. Cycles of hot and cold correspond with the solar activity. We see on other planets too. The plasma from the sun reaching the earth is 10,000 K to 100,000 K

There are also some variations in the magma of earth. The earth is still hot in the center, because there are still nuclear reaction taking place. So iceland may freeze over if its lava flow stops. Or some place may become more volcanic again.

[–]agelmat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Are you suggesting scientists didn't account for that data? Because they did. And it's still abnormally warmer.

Now whether we should unend our entire lives for this is the question. I don't think we need to but we definitely need to stop/lower pollution as much as is feasible

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Change your life because global cooling… err ozone layer… err acid rain… err global warming… err climate change is gonna get you. It will be like Waterworld.

[–]weavilsatemyface[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Global cooling was never a thing except in a handful of scifi magazines and sensationalist news reports that copied them. The "but they said it was global cooling" argument is as sensible as saying that World War 2 never occurred and its all a big hoax because a couple of newspapers said that Adolf Hitler was tamed by prison.

Yeah, we get it, fifty fucking years ago a bunch of scifi writers and journalists thought that a new ice age was insert ominous music just around the corner. And now we have fifty years of warming since then to show that they were wrong.

The ozone layer is a fucking fantastic example of what we can do when we recognise a problem and there are no billionaires paying marketing companies to spread deliberate disinformation. We saw that the ozone was being destroyed, we acknowledged the reality of the problem, and we fucking solved it. Just like we in the developed western world (mostly) solved acid rain. (China, not so much.)

When the fuel warning light in your car turns on, so you fill it up before you run out of gas, does that mean that the warning was a hoax?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If I run into a cinema screaming fire because an alarm went off, it's still a false alarm when it turns out someone just left a radiator on.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The same people who insist that we are DOOMED if we don't do what they say fly private jets all over the world and buy beach houses near places they had told us would have flooded by now according to the the best forecast of settled science.

Also they insisted that any cold weather didn't mean anything, but any hot weather is a sign of a climate crises, then changed the name of globull warming to climate change so now every weather, hot or cold, can be interpreted as a sign of climate catastrophe.

[–]weavilsatemyface[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The same people who insist that we are DOOMED if we don't do what they say fly private jets all over the world

Yes, the global elite are fucking hypocrites and selfish, entitled pricks. Some of them spend their time acting all virtuous while doing nothing to help the rest of us, and the others spend their time doing everything possible to protect their profits by spreading disinformation. They're all looking out for themselves, and don't give a fuck for the rest of us except as a revenue stream. The only difference is whether their revenue stream depends on denying the reality of climate change or pretending to be concerned about climate change.

they had told us would have flooded by now

It has never been mainstream accepted science that we would see mass flooding by 2020.

then changed the name of globull warming to climate change

Oh. My. God! People have two names for the same thing! It's almost as if when the globe warms, the climate will change!!! It must be a fraud!!!1!

Also they insisted that any cold weather didn't mean anything

Who is "they"?

Cold weather doesn't go away just because climate is warming. There's just less of it. Winters are mostly milder now than they were when I was a boy. When I was a kid, it was normal to have three or four weeks of wet, cold weather without a break in the winter. Now we have three days of wet cold weather in a row, and everyone loses their minds about how cold it is.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Give me ultimate power or you we'll all die you selfish mf!

[–]weavilsatemyface[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who is asking for ultimate power?

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Global cooling was never a thing except in a handful of scifi magazines and sensationalist news reports that copied them.

Not true at all. You are just slandering those who disagree with you. This is literally a baseless ad hominem.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's so easy to make a steep gradient chart when you massively manipulate the data to fit your agenda. Also, how many temperature readings were taken from inner city airports in 1880? Even so, .2 degree average increase over 50 years, strange how we're still alive. It's not like we are warmed by a GIANT BALL OF SPACE PLASMA we call the sun.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wait, you mean... That giant ball of space plasma also has natural fluctuations? NO WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY..........

[–]LarrySwinger2 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Is this actual debate with two sides? On my Saidit?

On a serious note: the temperate has fluctuated throughout history, there's nothing special going on. There's no indication that this is man-made and will get out of control. There's no causal link between CO2 levels and temperature.

[–]Anman 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

Oh yeah, because the earth is only 140 years old.

https://preview.redd.it/la11xlhsu8541.jpg?auto=webp&s=a08c733d46442c9e2e84803c9fbf22214c72736b

[–]weavilsatemyface[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Yes, you're a very clever man, you are absolutely correct that in a few tens or hundreds of thousands of years the earth's climate will change naturally. And that's why we have nothing to fear with wiping out farmlands and drowning cities within the lifespan of our children, right? Fuck the little brats.

  • 4.5 billion years ago, the surface of the earth was molten lava and there were no land masses.
  • 650 million years ago, the earth was a giant frozen snowball and nearly every living thing on the planet was dead.
  • 300 million years ago, the sun was 30% cooler and the atmosphere was so thick with oxygen that insects grew to giant size.
  • 10 million years ago, the planet was about 3℃ warmer than now, and the planet was almost entirely a desert wasteland.
  • 20,000 years ago, the planet was 5-6 degrees colder than today, and where New York is today was buried under a mile of ice.

Good thing we have nothing to fear from accelerating such natural changes by a factor of a thousand times faster, right? What could possibly go wrong? Its not like we rely on predictable, steady climate to grow food. Right?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If the world is destined to end, I will not stand in destiny's way. More than 99% of all life that has existed on earth has gone extinct. Life on the planet may have began as far back as 3.7billions years ago (take that creationists), so I don't give a fuck about what's going to happen in the next 50. We are resilient creatures and adapt to our environment, we do not adapt the planet to us on the scale climate change freaks would like. Only the insane would change the earth to fit your needs. Plants will grow, humans will survive. I don't give a shit if a city gets lost under a tidal wave or covers in ice, this is life, it's not always predictable and you should get used to it. Get on with living your life instead of telling people not to live theirs.

[–]Anman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Go and make an average temperature chart with a line average starting from 4.5 billion years ago please.

[–]weavilsatemyface[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What do you think that's going to prove?

Over time spans of billions of years, the output of the sun and the earth's climate has changed a lot. Yes we know that. Why do you think it is even a tiny bit relevant?

  • Billions of years ago, the earth was a lifeless ball of molten rock, and there was no life on the planet, let alone human civilization.
  • Hundreds of millions of years ago, the earth was a frozen wasteland where nothing more complicated than bacteria and undersea worms could survive.
  • The last time the earth was four degrees hotter than it is now, 90% of the land area on earth was a baking hot desert where only lizards could survive.
  • Even when the climate changes slowly, over tens of thousands of years, it still causes major disruption to natural systems.
  • Short term climate change, even if it lasts only a few decades, causes massive disruption to human populations and nations. Empires and nations fall.
  • Rapid climate change in a time frame of a century or less is absolutely unprecedented in all of human history.

[–]Anman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now do one for the last 6 months. Watch that average line fly.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Ya, but no. Pangaea.

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Pangaea.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Good catch. Typo fixed.

[–]Anman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Do you treat it like a first born or afterbirth?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

?

[–]Anman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Oh, you treat it as an abortion.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

?

[–]Anman 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The planet gave birth to a continent. Did it? Where did it go? Was it the first? Who knows.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Panspermia

[–]Anman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have been playing katamari damacy a lot recently.

[–]weavilsatemyface[S] 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

Look at the trend line in blue. Absolutely dead flat. Global warming is a myth!

[–]CreditKnifeMan 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Source?

[–]Anman 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The crust from his dogs anus.

[–]Tums_is_Smut_bkwrds 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Oh you mean when you use the data that has been repeatedly shown to have been intentionally skewed.

[–]weavilsatemyface[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh you mean when you use the data that has been repeatedly shown to have been intentionally skewed.

No.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

K... keep me posted...

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fossil fuels are a gift from God

[–]Brewdabier 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's called Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum the earth went throught this before.

[–]weavilsatemyface[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's called Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum YouTube the earth went throught this before.

Yes, and last time:

  • It took at least twenty thousand years for the CO2 levels and temperatures to rise four degrees, not a century.
  • And it still massively changed the face of the planet' ecosystems, with mass extinctions, reversal of ocean currents, and massive levels of ecological disruption.

Nobody is worried about the planet itself. The planet doesn't give a shit whether it is a ball of molten rock, a frozen snowball, or a global desert. It has been all those things in the past, and it will, I am sure, go through just as big changes over the next couple of billion years until the sun expands and swallows it.

It's human civilization we should be worried about, and not just any human civilization, but western civilization. We are reliant on the climate being what it is now, not a hundred thousand years ago when New York was covered by a mile of ice and Europe was a frozen wilderness, or 55 million years ago when they were desert. It is our civilization, that our kids have to live in, that is threatened. Not the third rock from the sun.

If you think halting climate change is costly, you should try not halting climate change.

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Standard thought terminating cliche.

People don't readily realize that temperature anomalies don't equate to temperature. They read this chart wrong, and don't realize how abnormally cold most of this chart was, and how only the last twenty years has it been oddly hot, according to this chart.

We'll ignore that most of US and EU temperature records for the last 50 years were found to be falsified, but never corrected.

Climate, where 100 years is a blip of noise on Earth's normal 10,000 year, 12,000 year, 14,000 year and 100,000 year overlapping temperature cycles, which we don't quite understand yet.

[–]iDontShift 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

lol! look what you can make the data do

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's strange it was so low during the industrial revolution.

It does seem to be stabilising recently though.

Make the most of the hot weather while we have it.

This issue will be solved by science and innovation not panicking or self harming (unless you have a private jet).

[–]weavilsatemyface[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This issue will be solved by science and innovation

The time to have solved it with science and innovation was fifty fucking years ago, in the 1970s. We've know about the role of CO2 and climate change since the fucking 19th fucking century.

Instead, thanks to the cunting fossil fuel companies and their deliberate, knowing campaign of disinformation to protect their profits, and the useful idiots who stuck their heads in the sand and swallowed the obvious and transparently self-serving lies, we've pissed away half a century of opportunity. We've lost the chance to solve the problem without massive disruption to nations. We're now down to desperate harm minimization: what can we do now to reduce climate change from a total, utter cluster fuck civilization-ending catastrophe to a mere disaster?

And after another decade or so of inaction, even that chance will be gone.

[–]agelmat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Have you actually read the IPCC reports on the possible impacts of climate change?