Christians, especially Evangelicals, much more philosemitic than atheists. So much for muh based christian nationalism.

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[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

You shall attend Mass on Sundays and on holy days of obligation and rest from servile labor.

Mass is literally made up, and the Bible rebukes Sabbath laws on a number of occasions in the New Testament. The original intent was to prevent bosses and masters from making their subordinates work 7 days a week, and this is spelled out even in the Old Testament. But of course the legalistic Jews had to turn it into some ritual so sacred that they stone you to death for as little as gathering sticks on Saturday.

You shall confess your sins at least once a year.

Why once a year? Why not once a day? Or once every 10 years? Or once every minute? Shouldn't this just be something you do when you realize you have something to admit?

You shall receive the sacrament of the Eucharist at least during the Easter season.

He said "Do this in remembrance of me." It's not some magic ritual or sacrament.

You shall observe the days of fasting and abstinence established by the Church.

More wrong Old Testament laws that are merely replaced with Roman holidays. And if we're going to put this emphasis on holidays, we should be celebrating Passover and the Jewish holidays, because at least the Bible said to celebrate those. It turns out that was wrong, but it's still more logical than celebrating random Roman holidays. Fasting means absolutely nothing if someone only fasts because another makes them.

You shall help to provide for the needs of the Church.

Not necessarily wrong, but since the Catholic church is an organization it easily becomes a den of robbers. And indeed the Vatican has been abusing tithes and scamming people and hoarding wealth for centuries.

[–]FreakyFalangistNational Catholicism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm glad I was able to elucidate some of the tenets of the faith to you; although that wasn't my point by linking them in my OC. My reason was to exemplify my point that:

"If the majority of American Catholics don't even hold to the well established teachings of Catholicism, the sky's the limit with the theological free for all that is Protestantism."

For the sake of discussion, I can address your well-trodden arguments against these basic requirements of the faith at a later time, even though this is s/debatealtright not s/debatetheology.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Protestantism is probably more strict than Catholicism now. Radical "fundamentalist" ideas are becoming increasingly popular in reaction to the left.

Neither are flexible enough. Organized religion is almost always bad, just like government. The original Protestants were willing to tread in uncharted waters, but like everything else, after their time an orthodoxy formed around it.

[–]FreakyFalangistNational Catholicism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Radical "fundamentalist" ideas are becoming increasingly popular in reaction to the left.

Not denying this as it sounds correct, it's hard to quantify however due to the nature of Protestantism. Also as much as some might flock to more let's say "fire and brimstone" fundamentalists, a non insignificant number especially of the youth are flocking to traditional Catholicism or the Eastern Churches.

The original Protestants were willing to tread in uncharted waters, but like everything else, after their time an orthodoxy formed around it.

Perhaps this is my own bias, but the only thing that seems to unite Protestants is their status as being "not Catholic." There is such a wide range of views (moral/ideological) that fall under the catch all of "Protestant" it's almost impossible to ascertain any common belief system other than "Jesus & [my version] of the Bible is good" there is no orthodoxy as their common factor is their plurality.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think when most people hear Protestant nowadays they think fundamentalist. There are so few Christ-like Christians, everyone is either all fire and brimstone or a liberal who only labels themself as Christian.