Why deny the holocaust but believe in the Holodomor hoax?

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why deny the holocaust but believe in the Holodomor hoax?

Communists starving their own people has happened throughout history. You don't even need Holodomor to support this. It's what happens when your government promises free stuff, but you actually run out of other people's resources to steal from...

The Holocaust in comparison is based on a one time story, about a country who was already stretched to its limits fighting a two front war but could somehow pull off an internal death machine?

Not to mention, the Holocaust mostly serves as a propaganda point. Every ethnic group back then faced discrimination and violence. Why hold the Jews to a special standard?

[–]jacques1102[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No it hasn't.Where are the bodies then?For example,Mao some how killed over 64 million people and managed to hide the bodies without any photographic evidence?Also hitler didn't want to kill jews but he started a war with europe and killed millions of europeans, but let the jews chill out?That's like if trump started a war with Canada to deport all the mexicans there but allowed them to live while killing Canadians.

[–]saiditkang 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

hitler didn't want to kill jews but he started a war with europe and killed millions of europeans, but let the jews chill out?

Hitler possibly wanted to use the Jews in concentration camps as a bargaining chip, but he underestimated the psychopathy of the Jewish elite who were perfectly fine with a segment of the Jewish population being sacrificed for the advancement of Jewish power, the creation of Israel, and the elimination of a feared and hated enemy.

Let me ask you this, at the end of the war when all was lost, Hitler could have ordered all Jews in the camps executed out of spite/revenge. Yet he never issued such an order and large numbers of survivors were liberated despite Germany being completely laid to waste. Why do you think this is? I honestly dont know the answer, but I'm curious what you think it is.

[–]jacques1102[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Context?Evidence for your first part?It seem weird that the jewish elite would make those plans without knowing the outcome of WW2.As for your last part,honestly that seems like a question i should be asking you.If hitler knew jews have an unmatch hatred for white people and knew if they won the war it would be the end of white people, why not kill as many as possible so that they don't have a large enough number to group up and have less jewish influence in the world then?Again it seems odd that you have an enemy that wants to kill you and everyone like you,yet were suppose to believe that he couldn't bring himself to kill them out of self defense.

[–]saiditkang 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Context?

The context was world war 2.

Nothing had to be planned. They certainly didn't plan Hitler's rise to power, although their actions unwittingly facilitated it.

If hitler knew jews have an unmatch hatred for white people and knew if they won the war it would be the end of white people, why not kill as many as possible so that they don't have a large enough number to group up and have less jewish influence in the world then?

I don't know what Hitler "knew" or thought beyond what he publicly wrote or spoke about, and what his actions imply. The reality remains is that large numbers of Jews survived for years in the camps, and were alive at the end of the war. Whether Hitler never issued a final execution order because of mercy, because he didnt think the order would be carried out, or because he was largely indifferent to their fates, I already said I legitimately don't know. I was asking YOU what you believe to be the reason. So tell me what you think the reason was.