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[–]oligarchracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I’m just a dumb goy so maybe I just suck at maf, but if you acknowledge the average Israeli AJ IQ is around 102-103, and you have a small sample of Wisconsin Jews with an IQ of 110, how does that come out to an ave global AJ IQ of 110?

Wisconsin jews are probably German Jews too, not those pale of settlement types from Russia or those orthodox ones that breed like rabbits like on the east coast, so youd prob have to subtract a few more points if your counting all of north america.

This study doesn’t seem to be the smoking gun you suggest.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

but if you acknowledge the average Israeli AJ IQ is around 102-103, and you have a small sample of Wisconsin Jews with an IQ of 110, how does that come out to an ave global AJ IQ of 110?

B/c the Wisonsin Jews are actually genetically representative of the Ashkenazi (German) Jews in general, in contrast to the Israeli AJews

not those pale of settlement types from Russia

Well the argument goes that most of those who didnt come to the US in the 1900s-20s (who werent smart enough to leave) ended up in Israel. Immigrants tend to have higher IQs relative to natives of their population

those orthodox ones that breed like rabbits

This is true but just not all that relevant b/c we are most interested in Jews born in the 1920s-50s when we want to explain their current power over western civilization. Jewish IQ is probably in steep decline (as it is for everyone else) and there is significant outbreeding. So, in the future this advantage is likely to decrease and what we call "Jews" are going to be lower IQ and even Jewier b/c the high-IQ secular Jews arent breeding, and the Jewish orthodox are (in other words, "Jewishness Will Become Problematic"

This study doesn’t seem to be the smoking gun you suggest.

I think it is - but labelling it a "smoking gun" at all combined with the tone of your responses i think exemplifies a general emotional investment in this topic (shared by a lot of people here) that i think that is completely unnecessary. I'll explain -

The "high Jewish IQ" argument is extremely problematic for our opponents to make because it is a total capitulation to the racialist/hereditarian view of intelligence. Anyone who makes this argument implicitly accepts that IQ is important, is highly heritable, and varies by race. These facts are devastating to the current multiracial/liberal/anti-white project. This is part of the reason why we rarely hear this argument made - it is usually made out of desperation by people like Jordan Peterson who want to flirt with the "dissident" line, but not actually cross it and get totally cancelled (like Kanye)

So, given the perspective and the evidence, it should not be contentious that AJs have a trivial IQ advantage. If someone argues this for whatever reason, then they have already lost. High intelligence is a "necessary, but not sufficient" explanation for Jewish power

[–]oligarchracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

B/c the Wisonsin Jews are actually genetically representative of the Ashkenazi (German) Jews in general, in contrast to the Israeli AJews

Why would that be? Wouldn't Jews in say New York be more representative of ashkenazi Jews overall and Israeli Jews in particular present a larger cross section of them than ones in Wisconsin?

I think it is - but labelling it a "smoking gun" at all combined with the tone of your responses i think exemplifies a general emotional investment in this topic (shared by a lot of people here) that i think that is completely unnecessary. I'll explain

I could quote you numerous times in this discussion where you seem to be claiming this wisconsin study is definitive proof, ie a smoking gun. My use of that term accurately describes how you are presenting a study that doesn't really show anything dramatically different than what we've already seen from the Jewish intelligence crowd who have been repeatedly caught exaggerating unrepresentative and biased studies.

The "high Jewish IQ" argument is extremely problematic for our opponents to make because it is a total capitulation to the racialist/hereditarian view of intelligence.

Not really. The argument is often made independent of race, and the neocons have repeatedly side stepped or even refuted differences in IQ based on race while still arguing Jews are genetically more intelligent.

These facts are devastating to the current multiracial/liberal/anti-white project.

Even if that is true(and I would dispute that), there is still mountains of additional evidence that is equally devastating to their project that they simply censor and ignore, with even more evidence on the way given advances in genetic research.

So, given the perspective and the evidence, it should not be contentious that AJs have a trivial IQ advantage.

A trivial verbal IQ advantage that could largely be explained by environmental factors, yes, but that isnt what you are claiming.

Look, you admit that you believe 20% of IQ can be explained by environment. If there is ANY group on this earth that has THE most advantageous environmental and cultural factors in boosting IQ scores, it is askenazi Jews. By far they have the most accumulated wealth of any group, with all the advantages that would bring. In addition they have a culture that places a huge emphasis on academics and literacy/language ability far above any other group I can think of, again, to their credit.

Given this one would expect that they have maxed out this 20%, and IF that was the case, there are certain things one would expect to see, and we DO see these things. We see higher verbal IQ scores, the part of IQ that is unquestionably the most influenced by environmental/cultural factors, while also seeing slightly below ave non verbal scores, the part of IQ tests that most would agree are the LEAST influenced by environment and the most influenced by genetics. Is this a just a cohencidence? We see wealthier Jews in the west scoring better than relatively poorer Jews in Israel, and before that newly arrived Jewish immigrants to the west who scored lower on such tests but whose descendents saw an apparent rise in IQ scores based on verbal IQ, which again, is what one would expect to see if environmental factors were at play.

You also seem to completely dismiss the point LAC makes that coincides with this, that Jews tend to pile up verbal garbage points in areas that can boost IQ scores but aren't particularly impressive, or important in creating and sustaining successful technologically advanced civilizations from scratch, something ashkenazi Jews have zero track record in doing. This doesn't mean they COULDN'T ever do it, but unlike northern Europeans who HAVE done it, over and over again, it's not evidence in their favor, nor is their continued lower non verbal IQ scores, despite their wealth.

During the early 20th century when inventions were largely carried out by individuals using their own cognitive skill and creativity, rather than corporations and large organizations, which is what we see now, Jews were largely absent. In a Japanese study I saw on the subject of invention, it found people of Scottish ancestry proportionately had a more impressive track record than any group on earth. I believe the English were 2nd. with Germans and other northern European groups also at the top. The English probably CREATED most of the scientific fields we now study, and it takes a lot more intellectual horsepower to create something than simply do well in it after its been established. Full disclosure I am neither Scottish nor German. I'm just a dumb mick who also has no reason to praise the English(I have relatives that would disown me for doing so).

Anecdotally this all matches up with what I've seen personally. Havent been impressed with Jews in terms of intelligence, not even when I viewed them favorably. They do tend to be media junkies, be well read and very academic minded, and to be fair the ones I've known arent exactly elites, but the same could be said of the other groups I've encountered who I'd rank higher in terms of innate intelligence based on personal experience.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your environmental argument wrt. jews is a good one actually. IF we accept the notion that they have higher IQ