Leather Apron Club is Wrong - Polygenic Scores Conclusively Indicate Ashkenazi IQ is about 107-112, among other egregious errors and omissions

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[–]oligarchracy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

LAC is wrong about Jewish IQ being 100, all evidence indicates it is 107-112.

ALL evidence? Seems to me there is lots of evidence that contradicts that, and LAC listed some of it. That doesn't mean he's right, but he at least proves that ALL evidence doesnt indicate its 107-112. Using data from IQ and the wealth of nations, I think it's been determined that Israeli Ashkenazi IQ is around 102-103. It may very well be that Israeli ashkenazi Jews are dumber than the diaspora, but this is still evidence of lower than previously claimed ashkenazi IQ.

One thing that rarely gets mentioned is that due to the establishment of Israel, globalization and the fact ashkenazi Jews today are far less isolated than in the past, the line between ashkenazi and non ashkenazi Jews are becoming increasingly blurred. This wouldnt necessarily affect the overall average Jewish IQ, but it would lower the average ashkenazi Jew as they increasingly intermarry with mizrahi Jews with their supposed low 90s ave IQ and sephardic Jews with their alleged mid 90s IQs. A lot of Jewish elites are increasingly the result of such "mixed" marriages, and I can think of many prominent examples.

I've always been skeptical of many of the ashkenazi intelligence claims, and some have been pretty well debunked at this point. Even Kevin Mcdonald, who has always stated he believes Jews have higher verbal IQ, has stated he probably exaggerated Jewish IQ in his COC series, and now believes it's around 107. I still believe they have slightly higher verbal IQ on ave.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I still believe they have slightly higher verbal IQ on ave.

I think this is where this more specific intelligence (verbal IQ) gets conflated and improperly extrapolated onto general (overall) intelligence.

I do think something is to be said about the extreme Rabbinical studiousness that is within the Jewish community (iirc quite a bit of memory training is required for bar/bat mitzvahs as well) and and how that can carry over to other areas, i.e. lots of professors/researchers would have just been memorizing the Torah and whatever but instead they went into medicine, physics, or mathematics and applied the same type of curriculum that those religious studies imbued to a different field.

In some of these areas I would say that Jews have contributed in a very beneficial way, just as in some of these areas they've essentially destroyed the roots of the civilization that enabled them in the first place, i.e. if they weren't brought up in the West and our institutions they wouldn't be able to destroy them like the fifth column that they've been.

[–]oligarchracy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Honestly, in my opinion it doesnt really matter that much what their ave IQ is, as it's already been proven that even given the most optimistic assessment of their intelligence they are still massively overrepresented in positions of power and influence far beyond what their actual abilities would ever merit.

What I do know though, and people should be aware of, is that Jews themselves are almost universally convinced of their superior intelligence. It is a huge part of their ethnic identity and helps to fuel both their sense of entitlement and sense of victimhood(ie 'we deserve to run everything because were so smart' or 'they hate us because they're jealous', or 'were persecuted because we're such a uniquely intelligent and creative people who are always just ahead of our time'). Not saying every Jew is like this, but I'd be willing to bet the overwhelming majority are, and they would never believe otherwise regardless of evidence presented.

It's also partly why they rarely speak out against Jewry. They are basically scared of their fellow Jews who they are convinced are ultra intelligent and are always several steps ahead of the goys. So they figure to oppose them is a losing cause and its best to stay on the winning team.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Don't most people think they're smarter than everyone else and deserve to run things?

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    [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's natural. Everyone thinks their way is the best and that everyone should just listen to them. I know very few people who don't have this mindset.

    [–]oligarchracy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I realized I probably misunderstood what you meant by this comment. I assumed you were saying most people think Jews are smarter and deserve to run things. What I'm assuming you meant is that most people think their own group is smarter and deserve to run things?

    I'm not sure that's true in the case of Christians. Christians tend to be egalitarian and are taught that all people are equal in the eyes of god. The Jewish religion definitely does NOT teach that. Obviously many Christians are hypocrits and dont practice what they preach, but there is at least the expectation or goal.

    [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Most people think their own group is superior, and that they themselves are superior to the rest of their group.

    Christians are a very extreme exception, and religion remedied it almost immediately. Ironically Jews are often closer to Christian virtues than Christians anymore.

    I will also say about Jews, most of them align more with Christian values than you'd expect. They're more willing than most Christian churches to accept that their scripture might not be 100% literal all the time, or even that it may have been altered over the millenia. So when one of their laws says to treat the foreigner exactly like a native, while another says goyim are subhuman, they're willing to acknowledge that there's a problem. But the exception is also the most recognized form of Judaism: the ultra-orthodox. They are the modern-day descendants of the Pharisees, who hold to a very strict, literal, and legalistic interpretation. These are the ones who think goyim only exist to serve Jews etc.