How white leftists are dealing with the "black Nazi" issue

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Been reading threads in leftist spaces, and leftists are keen on framing this issue of "anti-semistism" within the black community as one that only exists among "BHI" (Black Hebrew Israelites) and NOI (Nation of Islam).

Another big sticking point for them is to be indignant at the suggestion that the black community isn't doing enough to call out and reprimand these bad actors within their community.

In my experience though, a lot of blacks have similar criticisms about Jews as BHI and NOI. I've seen blacks give some degree of popular support to those who criticize jews. I've also noticed that pan-african blacks, like Tariq Nasheed and Umar Johnson, are also at the very least favorable to criticizing jews. The main point being that while leftists paint "anti-semitism" in the black community as coming only from fringe extremists, it's actually a lot more widespread than that.

Anyone seen polling that pertains to this?

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[–]bug-in-recovery 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Blacks have been the battering ram used by jews for so long.

It is so cathartic to see them turn around and bite their master.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It's ultra rare to see genuine black nazis. Just look at voting patterns, and they always vote left or even far-left in higher numbers. There's also a much longer history of Blacks collaborating with Communists (i.e Black Panthers, ANC, ZANU).

As much as some here might not want to admit, Kanye is the fringe blacks with higher than 120+ IQ who could see past all the Jewish propaganda and call them out (afterall, he does have a successful pedigree with his rapping and business projects).

But otherwise, the rest of the Blacks fall back on the bell curve of being too stupid to notice them, or they repeat Liberal talking points that "Nazis are just big meanies who want to stop our Communist utopia from happening".

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm not saying there's a lot of black nazis. I just think there's a normalization of criticizing jews within the black community. It's always been there to some extent, but it's been reinvigorated lately. In some cases, the blacks involved might not even have extensive of knowledge about jewish behavior or history. They're just aware that jews are not a genuine ally and often have manipulative dealings with blacks.

Maybe the average black isn't in on this. But my impression is that most blacks with even a vaguely pro-black political stance are aware and on board with criticism of jews. Whereas leftists are trying to paint it as only being the likely 1-3% of blacks involved in NOI or BHI.

If I had to guess, around 20-30% of blacks are strongly or somewhat critical of jews, and many others may abide the criticism without raising an eyebrow.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think there's a normalization of criticizing jews within the black community. In many cases, the blacks involved might not even have a lot of knowledge about jewish behavior or history. They're just aware that jews aren't a genuine ally and often have manipulative dealings with blacks.

How do we test this theory?

Again, voting patterns clearly put them in the Left and Far-Left. The same side that wants more Holocaust Denial laws, hate speech laws, more multiculturalism etc.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

People vote for their own interests. A group mostly on welfare and other state support will vote for the party which gives them more of that whether they agree with their ideology or not. Black people tend to be more religious and socially conservative than whites (and more racist). Most poor whites who vote left are much the same (they aren't spouting Marx, they are complaining about immigrants). Look at how gay men get treated in the black community, they aren't liberals.

I've only seen a few openly anti-Jewish stories in the mainstream media over the past few years and they have mostly been black, Straight Outta Compton and Ma Rainey's Black Bottom are 2. No one thought anything of it.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People vote for their own interests. A group mostly on welfare and other state support will vote for the party which gives them more of that whether they agree with their ideology or not.

It could absolutely be both. Voting for your self-interests while still supporting the multicultural agenda.

For example, there is an overall trend of gay marriage seeing higher approval rates in every group. And even though it's true that Black people once lagged behind, it's no longer the case as at least 51% of them genuinely push the idea of gay marriage since 2015.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2017/06/26/support-for-same-sex-marriage-grows-even-among-groups-that-had-been-skeptical/

And another funny fact to support this, Black Americans as well are the 2nd most likely group to be in a gay male relationship.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/325072/male-male-couples-in-the-us-by-race-of-householder/

We need more data before we can make certain conclusions.

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    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Compared to the average black person, he once made a billion dollars. And he didn't come across it by flukes.

    That said, having a higher than average IQ doesn't mean smartest person ever. There are people with 200+ IQ that would make other smart people look dumb.

    [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Lots of stupid black entertainers and sports stars become incredibly rich. They do it by becoming famous and signing promotional deals with various brands.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_billionaires

    As of of the most recent entry (2021), only 8 Black Americans actually made the billionaires list. And sure, there's the argument that Lebron is an exception to this but Michael Jordan, Jay-Z and Oprah are entrepreneurs.

    Edit: Also Kanye had a significantly higher net worth than most of them before he got cancelled for naming the Jew.

    [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Michael Jordan, Jay-Z and Oprah are entrepreneurs

    No, they are not. They are black people who got famous through entertainment media or sports. They were only able to build brands for themselves because they became famous through the entertainment industry.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I have to disagree with your assessment.

    Do you somehow believe they never play a role in management? Such as Michael Jordan buying his own stakes in different sports teams?

    I also disagree that using fame to advance your career is somehow a negative. It's the opposite. Businesses or people go viral all the time. Actually being able to capitalize on it is how you maintain success in the longterm, instead of ending up as a fad.

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      [–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Ice Cube already said all this stuff years ago and no one cared then. Black celebs are always coming out with antisemitism but it usually doesn't cross over.

      [–]Fonched 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      They just seem to bunch Kanye with the White notsees or explain what Hitler would have done to him, latter of which I'm skeptical of because he is sympathetic to the movement and he could likely move back to the homeland.

      [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      It is not really a sign of how anti semitic blacks are but how blacks have zero empathy for out-groups and they care only for black victimization narratives. They don't like anything that takes away from black victimization narratives. Kanye could have attacked Asians, Arabs, or Hispanics and blacks would not care or call him out.

      [–]saiditkang 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      blacks have zero empathy for out-groups and they care only for black victimization narratives.

      And the same isn't true for Jews? I would argue Jews are even worse in this regard. At least blacks don't try to mask their narcissism by using proxy causes to advance their own agenda and attack enemies. Blacks also have little to no real power, so their self obsession is largely irrelevant. They only have whatever power Jews loan them, and this only lasts so long as they are useful. We've seen numerous examples where blacks clashed with Jews, and in every case I can think of the blacks ultimately lost and/or were forced to grovel. So even black victimization has it's limitations.

      [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      We've seen numerous examples where blacks clashed with Jews, and in every case I can think of the blacks ultimately lost and/or were forced to grovel.

      Fake Jew Whoopi Goldberg

      [–]Enlighten3d 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I live in almost 100% white country so I don't really care.