BTIR: Saidit users who aren't "alt-right," why aren't you?

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[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

There's a homosexual writer in the alt right named Jack Donovan. He wrote a book called The Way of Men. In it he theorizes that deeply ingrained in most men is the desire to guard the perimeter with a small group of closely connected men. I think he's right about this. In other words we only get the 'freedom' that we build and then defend with our brothers. You're not going to kick the vertical tyranny freedom yardstick towards freedom if you're not willing to work with a team of males building and defending. For me that's all fascism really is as well. It's a nation that subjugates everything: personal liberty, business interests, religion to the end goal of border security and survival of the national biology and cultural expressions. The minute we make everything about personal freedom we will be destroyed by an invading force that hasn't forgotten how power and borders and security and TRIBE works.

Racism is ignorance and fear, visualised

By that definition dissidents aren't racists. We don't fear the 'other' we simply don't want to be taken over by the 'other'. That's race realism, that's survival.

if you can focus on one or few aspects that are different or foreign to who you identify with.

Is that really what you think we're doing?

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Don't know about the Gay book, but that guard sounds good - and we're doing that guard locally, in a way, and not just with men. Unfortunately the masses are easily manipulated, lacking critical thinking skills, docile, heavily brainwashed, and very fearful - so recruiting and organizing is difficult. And importantly it all needs to be done bottom-up or else it's just more of the same political bullshit that can be easily infiltrated and corrupted by narcissists and others. Even though I don't need to conform to social norms, and I understand the origins of the term, I won't ever call myself a "fascist" due to the fact that the limited label is explosive fuel for misunderstanding. Get a new term and I might consider that.

IMO, it's simple...

1) All systems of management need to ethically be FOTPACH (fair, open, transparent, peaceful, accountable, consistent, and honest) - or they are fundamentally illegitimate mafia tyrannies. From website admins to resistance organizing to local to national to global governance.

2) ALL government needs to be reduced. There's too much corruption, bloat, and cancerous "growth" - as well as violence and arbitrary capriciousness of the nepotistic oligarchy. The unobtainable pure goal is anarchism, no rulers, aka voluntaryism, with voluntary interactions between consenting people. But with so much freedom people would be free to form mobs, mafias, and governments and we'd have tyranny again - so the practical reality is we need minarchism.

3) All new organizing and resistance to tyranny needs to be bottom-up, or it doesn't represent the people, left, right, forward, backward, whatever. New and difficult as this may be, it can't be more difficult than enduring tyranny. This also needs to be decentralized, flexible, resilient, robust, secure, and sustainable.

The Us vs Them thing and personal freedom or whatever are moot until these are addressed globally for a mass bottom-up movement in all nations. Great ideas can be contagious and the time is more ripe now than ever. But their fear porn propaganda mind control is strong. People don't want to leave their country unless they are forced to by CIA ops, wars, injustice, unfairness, and the lure of better opportunities in fancy nations that rob theirs.

We don't fear the 'other' we simply don't want to be taken over by the 'other'. That's race realism, that's survival.

So stay strong and live and let live.

if you can focus on one or few aspects that are different or foreign to who you identify with.

Is that really what you think we're doing?

Many clearly do.

I am White and my best friend from grade 7 through to University, who's even been on SaidIt, was born in India and moved here when he was 2. Besides his appearance he is fundamentally no different than me in that he has completely "adapted" to life in Canada (without accent or turban or whatever), regardless of ethnic customs, practiced privately or broadly, that I'm sure he still does with his family and communities, just as many White people do.

I am also sure there are less-intelligent and/or the newly-arrived immigrants who can be problematic - especially when our governments are bombing their countries and opening the borders to intentionally cause chaos so they can claim more force for order. Problem, reaction, solution.

The problem, again, is government. Not race.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and we're doing that guard locally, in a way, and not just with men

No we aren't. The people that run our institutions are coordinating to genocide us. We've already been invaded.

Get a new term and I might consider that.

I do agree that the term is corrupted. We don't have to call white solidarity against tyranny 'fascism' we can just call it survival.

1) All systems of management need to ethically be FOTPACH (fair, open, transparent, peaceful, accountable, consistent, and honest) - or they are fundamentally illegitimate mafia tyrannies. From website admins to resistance organizing to local to national to global governance.

You've gotta get past this libertarian thinking. All systems are little fiefdom mafia tyrannies. However, not all of them are equal. Some are better than others. The minute you neglect the fraternity or your own racial family you essentially side with world wide jewry and all of their satanic goals. Race blind Libertarianism is not going to defeat world wide jewish central banking authoritarianism. It's just not. In fact it's used by those jews against your white brothers. Libertarians are wielded as pawns to break down white society.

ALL government needs to be reduced. There's too much corruption, bloat, and cancerous "growth" - as well as violence and arbitrary capriciousness of the nepotistic oligarchy.

Government is simply authority. You're never going to get rid of authority. You can replace it with a different authority but you can't get rid of it. Corruption doesn't have to be part of authority. You can have a righteous governing class. Benevolent authority is possible.

3) All new organizing and resistance to tyranny needs to be bottom-up, or it doesn't represent the people, left, right, forward, backward, whatever. New and difficult as this may be, it can't be more difficult than enduring tyranny. This also needs to be decentralized, flexible, resilient, robust, secure, and sustainable.

You're just arguing for a new authority. Which is fine but stop calling it libertarianism.

The Us vs Them thing and personal freedom or whatever are moot until these are addressed globally for a mass bottom-up movement in all nations.

Agreed. Personal freedom is impossible without regime change but you're not going to get a 'bottom up' international movement against the globalists. Most people don't have the ability to conceptualize their own cage.

So stay strong and live and let live.

You're thinking individually. "Live and Let Live" is fine if I'm not being aggressed against. We are individuals, but also members of nations and races.

I am White and my best friend from grade 7 through to University, who's even been on SaidIt, was born in India and moved here when he was 2. Besides his appearance he is fundamentally no different than me in that he has completely "adapted" to life in Canada (without accent or turban or whatever), regardless of ethnic customs, practiced privately or broadly, that I'm sure he still does with his family and communities, just as many White people do.

Indians are Caucasoids so they have an easier time fitting in. That doesn't change the fact that massive indian immigration would change Europe and the United States. Massive immigration from any non European regions would change the United States. Your story doesn't really have any relationship to the reality of weaponized immigration against whites.

The problem, again, is government. Not race.

The government is just a tool. The question is who is in charge of our government and what is their goal?