BTIR: Saidit users who aren't "alt-right," why aren't you?

submitted by cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist from (self.debatealtright)

We've had a lot of news posts and circlejerks lately. Saidit also seems to have an influx of new users who havent checked us out. Let's have a post to bring the sub back to its roots (BTIR). So, saidit users who arent alt-right, why arent you?

MW defines alt right as:

right-wing, primarily online political movement or grouping based in the U.S. whose members reject mainstream conservative politics and espouse extremist beliefs and policies typically centered on ideas of white nationalism

This is more or less accurate. Alt-Right basically means "politically incorrect and explicitly pro-white". If you arent this, then why not? This is your general thread to debate any aspects of white nationalism or racialism you personally disagree with

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[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 11 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 6 fun -  (18 children)

Fuck authority.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Always.

Left / Right are horizontal distractions from vertical Tyranny / Freedom.

Why haven't the Alt-Right discovered Voluntaryism?
(/s/Voluntaryism, /s/Voluntarism is a bastardisation, /s/Anarcho_Capitalism, /s/AnarchoCapitalism, /s/Anarchocommunism, /s/Anarkikomunismolando, and I just discovered there is not yet an /s/Anarchism sub. Voluntary interactions between consenting people should not to be confused with managing volunteers. I used to post in the latter until someone finally created the former sub.)

Also, why does /u/magnora7 insist on keeping /s/DebateAltRight soft-censored yet /s/TumblrInAction, /s/RealIncels, and /u/HongKongPhooey are free to pollute the front page?

I am pro-whatever you want. I am white. I am deaf in one ear. Neither are accomplishments so I'm proud of neither. I'm also not against either, nor alternatives or variants. I'm not supreme over anyone else, though feel free to complement me all you like.

"Political correctness" is artificial controlled manipulation - thus I'm against political correctness in favour of freedom of expression. I'm also against ALL mafias/governments, globalists/Zionists, and groups based on/in secrecy for more power.

Racism is ignorance and fear, visualised. Half of everyone is stupider than average, and most of the rest are really fucking close to being average. Thus most people are average and that's not-great, so it's easy to look at most people of any group and blame them for being not-great, especially if you can focus on one or few aspects that are different or foreign to who you identify with.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

There's a homosexual writer in the alt right named Jack Donovan. He wrote a book called The Way of Men. In it he theorizes that deeply ingrained in most men is the desire to guard the perimeter with a small group of closely connected men. I think he's right about this. In other words we only get the 'freedom' that we build and then defend with our brothers. You're not going to kick the vertical tyranny freedom yardstick towards freedom if you're not willing to work with a team of males building and defending. For me that's all fascism really is as well. It's a nation that subjugates everything: personal liberty, business interests, religion to the end goal of border security and survival of the national biology and cultural expressions. The minute we make everything about personal freedom we will be destroyed by an invading force that hasn't forgotten how power and borders and security and TRIBE works.

Racism is ignorance and fear, visualised

By that definition dissidents aren't racists. We don't fear the 'other' we simply don't want to be taken over by the 'other'. That's race realism, that's survival.

if you can focus on one or few aspects that are different or foreign to who you identify with.

Is that really what you think we're doing?

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Don't know about the Gay book, but that guard sounds good - and we're doing that guard locally, in a way, and not just with men. Unfortunately the masses are easily manipulated, lacking critical thinking skills, docile, heavily brainwashed, and very fearful - so recruiting and organizing is difficult. And importantly it all needs to be done bottom-up or else it's just more of the same political bullshit that can be easily infiltrated and corrupted by narcissists and others. Even though I don't need to conform to social norms, and I understand the origins of the term, I won't ever call myself a "fascist" due to the fact that the limited label is explosive fuel for misunderstanding. Get a new term and I might consider that.

IMO, it's simple...

1) All systems of management need to ethically be FOTPACH (fair, open, transparent, peaceful, accountable, consistent, and honest) - or they are fundamentally illegitimate mafia tyrannies. From website admins to resistance organizing to local to national to global governance.

2) ALL government needs to be reduced. There's too much corruption, bloat, and cancerous "growth" - as well as violence and arbitrary capriciousness of the nepotistic oligarchy. The unobtainable pure goal is anarchism, no rulers, aka voluntaryism, with voluntary interactions between consenting people. But with so much freedom people would be free to form mobs, mafias, and governments and we'd have tyranny again - so the practical reality is we need minarchism.

3) All new organizing and resistance to tyranny needs to be bottom-up, or it doesn't represent the people, left, right, forward, backward, whatever. New and difficult as this may be, it can't be more difficult than enduring tyranny. This also needs to be decentralized, flexible, resilient, robust, secure, and sustainable.

The Us vs Them thing and personal freedom or whatever are moot until these are addressed globally for a mass bottom-up movement in all nations. Great ideas can be contagious and the time is more ripe now than ever. But their fear porn propaganda mind control is strong. People don't want to leave their country unless they are forced to by CIA ops, wars, injustice, unfairness, and the lure of better opportunities in fancy nations that rob theirs.

We don't fear the 'other' we simply don't want to be taken over by the 'other'. That's race realism, that's survival.

So stay strong and live and let live.

if you can focus on one or few aspects that are different or foreign to who you identify with.

Is that really what you think we're doing?

Many clearly do.

I am White and my best friend from grade 7 through to University, who's even been on SaidIt, was born in India and moved here when he was 2. Besides his appearance he is fundamentally no different than me in that he has completely "adapted" to life in Canada (without accent or turban or whatever), regardless of ethnic customs, practiced privately or broadly, that I'm sure he still does with his family and communities, just as many White people do.

I am also sure there are less-intelligent and/or the newly-arrived immigrants who can be problematic - especially when our governments are bombing their countries and opening the borders to intentionally cause chaos so they can claim more force for order. Problem, reaction, solution.

The problem, again, is government. Not race.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and we're doing that guard locally, in a way, and not just with men

No we aren't. The people that run our institutions are coordinating to genocide us. We've already been invaded.

Get a new term and I might consider that.

I do agree that the term is corrupted. We don't have to call white solidarity against tyranny 'fascism' we can just call it survival.

1) All systems of management need to ethically be FOTPACH (fair, open, transparent, peaceful, accountable, consistent, and honest) - or they are fundamentally illegitimate mafia tyrannies. From website admins to resistance organizing to local to national to global governance.

You've gotta get past this libertarian thinking. All systems are little fiefdom mafia tyrannies. However, not all of them are equal. Some are better than others. The minute you neglect the fraternity or your own racial family you essentially side with world wide jewry and all of their satanic goals. Race blind Libertarianism is not going to defeat world wide jewish central banking authoritarianism. It's just not. In fact it's used by those jews against your white brothers. Libertarians are wielded as pawns to break down white society.

ALL government needs to be reduced. There's too much corruption, bloat, and cancerous "growth" - as well as violence and arbitrary capriciousness of the nepotistic oligarchy.

Government is simply authority. You're never going to get rid of authority. You can replace it with a different authority but you can't get rid of it. Corruption doesn't have to be part of authority. You can have a righteous governing class. Benevolent authority is possible.

3) All new organizing and resistance to tyranny needs to be bottom-up, or it doesn't represent the people, left, right, forward, backward, whatever. New and difficult as this may be, it can't be more difficult than enduring tyranny. This also needs to be decentralized, flexible, resilient, robust, secure, and sustainable.

You're just arguing for a new authority. Which is fine but stop calling it libertarianism.

The Us vs Them thing and personal freedom or whatever are moot until these are addressed globally for a mass bottom-up movement in all nations.

Agreed. Personal freedom is impossible without regime change but you're not going to get a 'bottom up' international movement against the globalists. Most people don't have the ability to conceptualize their own cage.

So stay strong and live and let live.

You're thinking individually. "Live and Let Live" is fine if I'm not being aggressed against. We are individuals, but also members of nations and races.

I am White and my best friend from grade 7 through to University, who's even been on SaidIt, was born in India and moved here when he was 2. Besides his appearance he is fundamentally no different than me in that he has completely "adapted" to life in Canada (without accent or turban or whatever), regardless of ethnic customs, practiced privately or broadly, that I'm sure he still does with his family and communities, just as many White people do.

Indians are Caucasoids so they have an easier time fitting in. That doesn't change the fact that massive indian immigration would change Europe and the United States. Massive immigration from any non European regions would change the United States. Your story doesn't really have any relationship to the reality of weaponized immigration against whites.

The problem, again, is government. Not race.

The government is just a tool. The question is who is in charge of our government and what is their goal?

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Fuck authority. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Always.

That's nice. But, if "absolute power" was inevitable, would you rather have people who are like you "in power", or people who hate you "in power" ? Obviously that outcome would make a real difference, regardless of how you feel about "absolute power" in general

Left / Right are horizontal distractions from vertical Tyranny / Freedom.

I think many issues are multifaceted, no reason to attribute any one outcome to a sole cause

Why haven't the Alt-Right discovered Voluntaryism?

Maybe because it's lame and gay. The "absolute power" you abhor is currently wielded by Jews who hate you, and "voluntaryism" seems like a limp-dick solution that will not solve our problems. The US "founding fathers" went to literal war and rebellion over much less than what we've had to put up with over the last 10 years. Do you think you will ammend the tyrrany of the US government by getting people to "elect" "voluntaryism" as some kind of replacement? By proxy, do you think you'll ever get blacks/non-whites to actually vote that way?

FTR I'm pretty sure you're Canadian (Ontario/Toronto, unless I'm mistaken) but it makes little difference

Also, why does /u/magnora7 insist on keeping /s/DebateAltRight soft-censored

Thanks for the plug - I don't know, but whatever allows us to keep our sub / not piss off the jannies is OK to me

I am pro-whatever you want. I am white

Then just be "pro-white". E.g. - "Europeans have built great societies across the world, and are generally nice people. They (we) should not be discriminated against."

I'm not supreme over anyone else

Juvenile

feel free to complement me all you like

No, thanks

"Political correctness" is artificial controlled manipulation - thus I'm against political correctness

Agree. What this has to do with the AR in particular, I can't say

I'm also against ALL mafias/governments, globalists/Zionists, and groups based on/in secrecy for more power.

Agree - but the "zionists" hold almost all the power. That sucks, and I get it - but the best antidote to this is the obvious

Racism is ignorance and fear, visualised

Fag. Save your ""moral"" grand-standing for your lefty/cuck friends who might actually care, it doesn't belong here

Half of everyone is stupider than average, and most of the rest are really fucking close to being average.

No - this is falsifiable, and IQ varies by race (yes, it's genetic). Experts in the field have stood by this fact for decades, and recent data corrobarates it. In short, statements like yours are deceptive (or just "lies") - they cannot be allowed to stand without contradiction.

Also "gay" - the left is "racist" (against whites) all the time, and policies like affirmative action etc. are institutionalied by our governments. These policies explicitly discriminate against white people with zero proof of "institutionalized racism" or what have you. You are content to be slandered with blood libel on account of your race - but unwilling to defend yourself on the same grounds. That is just cowardice, its not "principled"

so it's easy to look at most people of any group and blame them for being not-great

This is such weird philosophy to me. Are Black people fundamentally "evil" because they have a low level of intelligence? "No." Grow up, this is dumb

You owe it to yourself to make better arguments than these.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

and I just discovered there is not yet an /s/Anarchism sub

There is, it's just private, I tried to create one with that exact name, but it already exists. You have to apply, and I have no idea if it's even active to accept requests. Needing to be accepted by an authority is so against the tenets of anarchism that I refused to apply to their fake bullshit

Also, why does /u/magnora7 insist on keeping /s/DebateAltRight soft-censored yet /s/TumblrInAction, /s/RealIncels, and /u/HongKongPhooey are free to pollute the front page?

He's banned me repeatedly, and what rules are those subs or I breaking?

(see u/Antarchomachus, u/Jackalope, u/yoghurt, u/brogurt, etc etc, id say hes banned 30 of my accounts)

He has cited 'dragging down the discussion' in banning me but that is bad faith bullshit, as that refers to the debate pyramid, i.e. moving from debate to ad-hominems and name calling, none of which are violated by posting news stories about insane retards shoving things up their butts or thinking they are possessed by demons, or any of the other mental retardation I regularly post about to laugh at

"Political correctness" is artificial controlled manipulation - thus I'm against political correctness in favour of freedom of expression.

But not when it comes to the incels, people who dislike the trans agenda, or my retarded news stories? Those should not be expressed on the front page? You are directly contradicting what you said in the last paragraph. You are literally objecting to said material on the grounds that it is politically incorrect

Anything you don't like is 'pollution', and you are literally calling for M7 to censor it, while saying you are in favor of free expression. Seriously wtf Jason, I don't understand you sometimes, or how you could possibly hold these two contradictory ideas in your brain in such close proximity

[–]AlphixNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

It's doublethink, Jason almost invented it, it seems. I have the same issue with the guy, contradicting himself left and right and not seeing it, even when shown to his face­. And that's FUCKING WEIRD.

However, I take exception to your stating that "being possessed by demons is bullshit". Look here: https://saidit.net/s/Consciousness/comments/6d7i/demons_are_for_real_psychiatric_hospital/

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

To be perfectly honest I just like posting anything that makes Christians look silly when I get annoyed by reading appeals to the bible as actual arguments in a debate

[–]HongPongHooey 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

/u/hongkongphooey

The Colorado river is running dry.

The Mississippi is running dry.

The Euphrates river is running dry.

The Euphrates running dry is predicted in revelations, I thinks.

We are experiencing catastrophic water shortages

Nonbelievers are blind.

Without water, everything in the world stops and dies.

https://youtu.be/vGvEcdKNTU8

[–]AlphixNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Fair game! :D

[–]Bigs 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

If you've been banned 30 times, why not just get the hint and go elsewhere?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Most of those were parody accounts, only 2 were main accounts, I've had this one for 9 months. Also I don't much care if a single admin doesn't like my posts, especially when they are clearly not in violation of the rules, and there is no way to really enforce banning me from this site that I can't easily get around. There are plenty of users I am friendly with who appreciate my interactions, I mean look at my post Karma ffs, and then look at yours, and tell me who should be the one to take a hike

Only a bootlicker would take an unjust banning lying down like a little bitch if they had the means to be not banned

[–]Bigs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're proud of your karma eh? lol

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Mm

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is the mentality of a 12 year old.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I know your response is, but what is mine?

[–]ElonMuskrat 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

'Fuck Authority' is indeed the mentality of a 12 year old.

The same people with Mummy and Daddy problems then 'grow up' only to extend those same problems to practically everyone who has more authority (and oftentimes wealth, unless they're more 'Right-libertarians') than themselves.

It's so very predictable and silly. Did you have problems with Mummy and Daddy that you then simply extended to religions and the State when you supposedly matured?

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Soft societies has the enormous problem of wanting their Nanny state to "Govern me harder, daddy" rather than be self-responsible, self-reliant, self-determined, and self-regulating. They prefer to be sheeple drones than autonomous free wills.

ALL PROBLEMS ARE GOVERNMENT PROBLEMS.

Left and Right are both part of the same problem - govern ment / mind control.

We need LESS regulation, not more drowning in bullshit handed down from hypocrites on high.

Fuck the ruling class and ZZZtheirZZZ "authority".

We were invited to come to Debate Alt Right, I laid out a cogent argument (including an abundance of reference links), may have even motivated M7 to put you back on /s/All, and all you do is insult me.

Who's childish? Grow up.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

Pretty sure we're quarantined, only people who purposely come here will see this.

Posted this on /s/politics

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

Thanks. I browse /all, i thought most posters did that

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (13 children)

We're banned from /all though unless the quarantine thing works different here, I have no idea

[–]HongPongHooey 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

Your racist agenda is ugly.

https://youtu.be/KSDlm2LqAes

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

My racist agenda gets way more pussy than you

[–]HongPongHooey 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

Wow. I couldn't have imagined a more childish response.

BTW, Twitter management is aware of you and your /s/debatealtright sub

https://youtu.be/emDt04rT3x4

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Wow. I couldn't have imagined a more childish response.

Your anti-white agenda is a virgin, LOL!

BTW, Twitter management is aware of you and your /s/debatealtright sub

nobody cares about those dorks

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

BTW, Twitter management is aware of you and your /s/debatealtright sub

Proof? Also why would they care? DAR isn't on Twitter.

Also what the fuck does do these youtube links have to do with the thread? Are you just trying to pump random videos on youtube?

[–]HongPongHooey 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have lurked in dar a few times, and I read where somebody was carefully planning how to create a presence at Twitter to talk about dar issues, so yes dar does have a Twitter presence.

I personally interfaced with Twitter's security division, and so they are aware of /u/debatealtright

https://youtu.be/vs5-N0D9p-w

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Oh, that is exactly what to expect when one is proud to "espouse extremist beliefs". In this case extremist means not arguing the point presented by hongponghooey, while asking Saiditors to present alternative points view to the Alt-right, LMAO. And simultaneously, referencing that, which defines the men defending the Alt-right perimeter of freedom, gettin some pussy.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

What point, retard? The guy just posted in bold 'Your racist agenda is ugly.' Which is an incredibly childish and stupid comment, not a point that can be argued. I responded in kind.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Oh, shit...you win...I've changed my mind to your side of the issues. Wow so impressive you ability to change hearts and minds towards joining your group. And I will get more pussy...YIPPIE!

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Nah, not even being a bad boy could get someone like you any pussy

[–]HongPongHooey 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am black and Jewish.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Twitter management is aware of you and your /s/debatealtright sub

That's really cool, if true. Post timestamp, not watching the whole thing

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

FYI, Edward is who you're talking with, spoofing /u/HongKongPhooey.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is just an observation, but it all comes down to perception/stigma.

A man like Jared Taylor doesn't have any biases that are inherently right-wing or left-wing. He only understands the importance of race, and that it's a much bigger governing policy than raising taxes or defending gun ownership.

Yet despite this, the media still slanders or forces on the label that he must be a "white supremacist" or a "nazi". Or anyone else alt-right must also be some kind of Walmart shooter extremist, even if they oppose violence at every level.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Saidit users who aren't "alt-right," why aren't you?

I'm not racially pure and would rather conform to the whites less ethnocentric. Europeans are the race I cluster closest to and I desire community.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I guess my question should've had the prerequisite "Saidit users who aren't "alt-right," (and are white) why aren't you?" - but obviously your rationale makes sense

Realistically/ideally, the US would break up like this (more) and you would block up with socially-conservative and more racially-liberal whites. I think our non-white "allies(?)" go without much appreciation. At the very least, you took the time to come here and talk to us. That's more than can be said for 99% of anyone (including a lot of any WN's out there)

[–]jagworms 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The left is shitty. That's obvious.

But the right, or alt-right, is not the antidote to it.

Both sides are parasitic wastes of resources. Both of them.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Right, the solution to jews genociding white people isn't to oppose it because that's a 'parasitic waste of resources'. We should just let them genocide white people like they have to countless other races throughout history. Good job idiot.

[–]Goyper 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I'm not White

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What are you?

[–]Goyper 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Central Asian from Uzbekistan

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Very cool. Do you still live there?

[–]la_cues 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

Do I have to hit yes on all three to be ""alt-right""?

Reject mainstream conservative politics? check

Espouse extremist beliefs and policies? Depends who you ask (are Quakers extremist?)

Ideas of white nationalism? No

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Being pro-white and anti-semitic are the main pillars

[–]SoylentCapitalist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I am both of those things but not alt-right. You are likely to disagree and say supporting capitalism is anti-white though.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

para-alt right

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Can I be pro-you-be-you, whatever you are, including White - as long as it's not supremacist based on no merit? (ie. You did nothing to be born as you are. You earn merit, contests, status, wealth, integrity, etc. by work, deeds, and actions.)

Can I require my "anti-Semitism" to be more specific? Rather than be against all Jews I am against evil Zionists, including Jews, Christians, atheists, and others.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

95% of jews are zionists, the other 5% are mostly made up of crazy death cult guys who think the anti-Christ needs to come and bring the apocalypse before they return to Israel. Finding a 'good jew' is like finding a good form of cancer.

But yeah, go ahead. You end up at the same place anyway.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

95% of jews are zionists

Not sure that's correct. Regardless if it's a majority or even the chance it's a minority, it's still a huge problem. As is demonizing those who are not Zionists and the mindless sheeple casual Zionists that mindlessly just go along with the herd that have the potential to do better. All faith in authority, governments, corporations, and religions is blind foolishness - including the Jewish faith and Jewish state.

I know 4 good freedom fighting Messianic Jews here in Windsor and many other good Jews in Toronto, New York, L.A., San Francisco, and Vancouver. I know of a few of them that are slimy. The same ratio is as other communities. I'm sure with "success" and nepotism they would be preferentially selected, "guided", and controlled - or kept down. Most are just average people. It seems your biased exposure to them is either very limited or fictionalized.

The evil ideology of Zionism is the world's greatest problem with their insatiable need for manipulation, deception, exploitation, and extermination for ever greater control and dominance - regardless of origin, creed, religion, culture, etc.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

95% of jews are zionists

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

"95" nor "Zionism" are on that page.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My bad, jewgle fudged the results and I just copy pasted the top one.

Here's the correct one

My recent review of the available data shows that about nine in 10 American Jews are more sympathetic to Israel than to the Palestinians. (That compares to about six in 10 of all Americans.) Additionally, 95% of Jews have favorable views of Israel, while 10% have favorable views of the Palestinian Authority -- significantly more pro-Israel than the overall national averages of 71% favorable views of Israel and 21% favorable views of the Palestinian Authority.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Wasn't alt-right pretty much just usurped by Trump? Wouldn't it be kinda silly to support a group of people whose campaign is pretty much just based on denying the legitimacy of their own government?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

No. Alt right means pro-white, against organised jewry. Trump is neither of those things.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Aren't you really just personally and directly denying the legitimacy of the current U.S. government?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

And all past ones

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Isn't this pretty much just a non-starter in a two-party system? Shouldn't we probably want both parties to uphold free and fair elections if our goal is national stability?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

What interest do white people have in the state that is subjugating them, and genociding them, in being stable?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Aren't I just saying that my political priority is always national stability?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Right, so how do you hope to achieve national stability in a country ruled by jews that control both parties and their will is that the country be crime ridden, have terrible infrastructure and social services, a FUBAR economy etc?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

the country be crime ridden

Won't this just make social skills an adaptive trait and encourage the right to be armed in public?

have terrible infrastructure

Can't we just mine lithium from the piedmont and push forward in our car-centric world?

and social services

Shouldn't social services always be secondary to the stability of the core government? Wouldn't a universal healthcare system, for example, be tying the stability of the government to some arbitrary social service?

a FUBAR economy

Can't we just fix labor prices by importing 300 million refugees by 2050? Wouldn't that be just a two-birds-with-one-stone solution (in addition to showing global empathy for those less fortunate)?

how do you hope to achieve

Isn't the best path toward anything really just improving the existing system instead of collapsing into anarchy and starting anew?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Oh I see you're a troll doing a 'most retarded version of a libtard' you can think of bit. Have fun with that squirt.

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    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Yes. So what?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Aren't I just answering the question at hand? Don't I just value national stability above all else?

    [–]JapsDoEverythingRiteBlack Nationalist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    I can't at this moment reconcile a pro-White stance with support of Chinese.

    [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Anglin once said something like "I don't think I've ever been pro-CCP, but I've definitely never been anti-CCP." That's not a direct quote - but the sentiment on the alt-right is generally similar. Contrast to Trumpists/Republicans who see China as like a serious threat or "Communist" or something. The Chinese government is objectively not "communist" (not anymore, not for a long time) - though it is authoritarian. Yet, it does seem to (inconsistently) actually serve the interests of the native Chinese people, unlike Western governments (which never do). So, while the Chinese are not white, and the Chinese government might be authoritarian and inconsistently ethnonationalist, it's at least "better" than what Western countries have, in some respects.

    From the Chinese perspective, the Chinese should benefit in the long run from having stable (white) trading partners and not economies that are full of low-IQ immigrants or ruled by nepotistic (largely Jewish) psychopaths. I believe the US and China are mutually the largest trading partners, for instance. So, long-term, white ethnonationalism should be objectively good for them, even if at a distance

    TL;DR: The Alt-Right perspective is sort of neutral to China and the CCP, so there shouldn't be a contradiction to reconcile

    [–]JapsDoEverythingRiteBlack Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's probably more a "me" thing than anything, but I read about Chinese businessmen buying up real estate in places like Canada and Australia, and it kind of unnerves me.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    MW? You mean Millennial Woes?

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Most likely Merriam-Webster

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    They have a definition for Alt-Right?

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Oh yea