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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

They weren't nationalists, they were reactionaries pursuing their class interest

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What is your proof of this?

Stauffenberg's last words before his execution was literally "Long live our sacred Germany", and before that, he was a veteran who participated in many opening battles. They were like Conservative Boomers. Supported the same ideas but "just don't go too far with it, guys".

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You just ended your sentence by agreeing with me lol

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So then why did you deny they were Nationalists? There's no contradiction when it came to tolerating other Nazis.

I followed this up with the Imperial Japan example. Practically all Japanese had supported the government/war effort till the very end. It was only when the Emperor had agreed to surrender, was there an attempt to arrest him. But it failed.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Stauffenberg and his ilk, led by rebellious generals, had an eye increasingly to their profession, as Goering and Himmler later did. They were principally bureaucratic-minded people, no different from the inept policy makers running our affairs. It wasn't on behalf of Germany that they revolted. Whereas Georg Elser was a man of character remaining true to his principles, which is also apparent in his features. He saw himself as a modern-day Herostratus. Hence, he received special treatment in the concentration camp and wasn't promptly executed.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I would describe them as opportunists rather than reactionaries. I don't think their actions were in the interests of the German aristocracy either.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Whose interest was it for? I was under the impression it was a bunch of military guys and aristocrats collaborating, which is intuitive that they'd want to build a state for their interests.

I don't know specific details of this stuff though, I don't find it interesting at all, so maybe I'm wrong. Either way these people trying to sabotage the war effort, overthrow Hitler etc can't be considered to be nationalists imo.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The perpetrators were military men and aristocrats, but I don't think they were specifically aiming at the restoration of an aristocratic or monarchic regime. My understanding is that it was just a power grab and an extremely naive attempt at negotiated surrender. I would call them foolish opportunists, if anything.