What are your thoughts on Christian Nationalism in America?

submitted by 8thmonitor from self.debatealtright

Is it really rising? Other than anti-abortion, I don't know what else they want to pass as laws. I personally believe abortion should be legal in the US... https://i.redd.it/wmels4lthgvz.jpg I think most Americans Christians support and want to increase aid for Israel, so I disagree again.

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[–]Wrangel 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Nationalism requires a strong sense of identity and unfortunately people don't identify that strongly with their genetic markers. People wrongly assume that that groups like generation identity are cultural nationalists when they are ethnic identitarians. Being ethnically French is being a part of a French community and a larger french family. A Somalian is obviously not going to be a natural part of a French community.

The main problem in the US is that there isn't really a white ethnos. There is no real historical continuity or specific ethnic group. I strongly dislike protestantism, and I am not that enthusiastic about Christianity in general but Christian nationalism is probably the only realistic option in the US. The one sense of community and belonging in many American towns is the church. The churches have in many cases been the focal point of their community for centuries. American towns tend to lack public places but the church is the only real place where the community gathers.

Their church is the closest thing many white americans have to an ethnic group. Many ethnic nationalisms have been religious in nature.

[–]8thmonitor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well said.

Why do you strongly dislike Protestantism? I strongly dislike evangelicalism because of their pro-Israel views. I admire the anti-alcohol and Protestant Work Ethic of Protestantism.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What are your thoughts on Christian Nationalism in America?

Obsolete, low iq, and downright harmful.

Christians ran the campaign against teaching evolution and the big bang. While also preaching that "god created everyone equal". Put the two and two together and you get civic nationalism that's actually worse than Brazil.

On top of that, the Christian religion gives a false sense of hope. Nothing you do on Earth matters because everyone is suppose to live in Heaven someday or wait for Armageddon. There is no respect for genes/preservation if you think everything is temporary till god shows up to fix it.

The only religion American Nationalists should follow is the one created by William Luther Pierce or the Creativity movement.

They take all the pros of Christianity, while removing all the trash parts from it.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A waste of time. Christians have never won any moral or culture battle in the past few hundred years. They rather uplift the global homo status quo than protect their family, cultural heritage and their ethnicity. Nationalists should build a positive vision for their people and Christianity will adapt to this vision overtime. Christians rather destroy their own church and revel in degeneracy than to live in a white nationalist society that more closely aligns with Christian values if it excludes most non whites and banned miscegenation. Christians don't fight for anything, if Nationalists win they will obsequiously agree with nationalists just like how they do with global homo.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It reminds me of how in North Korea, they allow foreign religions but only under the condition they are heavily regulated and don't disagree with state values.

I have a similar philosophy. Being a Buddhist or Christian on principle isn't bad. But if you put your religion before your country, or religion before race, then it's subversive and must be removed.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

It's hard for me to to frame nationalism in America because America is not a nation and any kind of nationalism is intrinsically subversive - very much like in Russia, so to speak. Usually the alt right speaks about white nationalism, but that's implicitly a separatist project, so it's anti-american or at least un-american. If I was to fix America as it is I would go for an Imperial kind of state, where the task of the government is to try to manage the contradictory requests of the various groups. Such a government can't be democratic however, because in a democratic framework you only get the various national and identitarian groups competing for the limited resources of the state. Christian nationalism however is the most solid proposal for an American nationalism, because Christianity is truly the only common ground for the vast majority of the country. It should not be a white nationalist movement however, it should aim to create an American race, which implies race mixing to a certain extent. Not something the alt right would gladly accept. But an ethnos - a nation - must be from a common ancestry.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, uh, no thanks. That would be so dysgenic.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

He basically wants to recreate all of Latin America again, where the White population got mixed into oblivion with the African and Indian groups.

Those same countries also have "strong man" governments, but you're still left with internal chaos caused by giving out welfare, putting up with drugs and cartels, rampant homosexuality and feminism, scientific development is completely neutered.

The only thing of value exported by those countries are athletes and bananas and that's it.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't want to do anything because I'm not American and I don't project my will on foreigners. I only want America out of Europe. What America could do in regards of nationalism is, at the end of the day, a matter of importance only for the American people.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I support American's partition in nation states. However I think that could be another solution. Partition is obviously going to be subversive from the perspective of the actual American state.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The bottom line for me is white unity against Jews and any other group who would seek to divide, conquor and harvest the talents and wealth of our people. If christian nationalism leads us towards structured white unity or acts as a front for white unity then it's a good thing. If it leads us to wars for Israel and Ukraine then it's not very useful. Right now I don't see a lot of hope for pro white nationalist Christianity but I guess I could be wrong.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

America becomes less religious every year just like any other Western country though it remains more religious than every other Western nation. Radicalization of the Right in America inherently means it trends to radicalized Christian Right but this undermines the cause because most people do not want theocracy. A forward thinking nationalist cause will be able to from a new foundation that can win over the people unlike these backwards thinking conservative types who can only look to the past to combat the present.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not compatible with modern science.