For any Russian speakers-Dugin, Why nationalism is a lie pushed forward by the global bourgeoisie. Russians have always been a mixed people.💩SHITPOST💩

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[–]EuropeanAwakening14 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No. That's the modernist mainstream academic view of nationalism. The more correct view is the primodialist view that nationalism has always been around through human history, written about by men like Azar Gat, Anthony Smith, and Walker Connor. In group preference didn't magically start existing in the 19th century.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ethnic unity, ethnic identity and ethnic solidarity have always existed, but nationalism itself as an ideology is indeed purely a modern development, and to be honest, it does not really have much to do with the traditional conceptions of ethnic unity. Hence why historically nationalism has seen such extensive use by left wing movements, and why it is so deformed today, what with civic nationalism, "Western values" etc.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That depends on how you define "nation". If a nation is members of an ethnic group who are represented by a sovereign state, then yes, nationalism has existed throughout human history. I'm taking a Keith Woods approach here.

https://odysee.com/nations-their-long-history-deep-roots:339ded8a795b38d541474668b4c6a074b9bb1e36

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think that Woods and Davis are correct on this issue. Obviously, nationalism is very important today, but historically it emerged as a modern, antitraditional phenomenon. Ethnic loyalty, on the other hand, predates history itself, and served as the premodern, but also more cohesive, basis for modern nationalism.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm a great fan of Anthony Smith and I really appreciate his definition of ethnic group, but that doesn't change the fact that there wasn't a political stance named nationalism until 1800s, and that at first instance it was a movement against the multi-national European Kingdoms and Empires