Russian war effort collapsing?

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[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I don't think that the Russian war effort is collapsing at all, but it does appear that there have been major setbacks in the area of Izyum. The Russian military have retreated a good distance now, and there is speculation that they will need to retreat even more. I am not sure what is going on, but if Caspar is right about the difference in numbers, it would certainly explain the problem - especially on such a wide front, being massively outnumbered is not a good idea. It is strange to think that currently Russia seems to be handling the economic side of the conflict much better than the military side.

[–]oligarchracy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah the Russians having to retreat doesnt seem like that big a deal to me. If they had been encircled and large numbers of troops surrendered that would be different. It could have a psychological effect, but Russians aren't exactly snowflakes. If anything it might help ukrainian morale so long as they dont start suffering heavy losses.

On the other hand the western media is getting all excited over this and raising expectations, so if the Russians regroup and eventually start making gains again or the Ukrainians suffer heavy losses it could effect western opinion. I’ve already seen normies increasingly express impatience and skepticism about the Ukraine moneypit.

Its obvious to me this is now just a proxy war between the US and Russia, using Ukrainian lives and territory. The neocons dont seem concerned at all about escalation. They're basically the modern day jewish equivalent of general ripper from dr strangelove. They dont seem concerned at all about a nuclear war and some of them might even welcome it.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The main issue is that if the Russians are forced to abandon all of their gains on the Izyum front, they will in all likelihood need to mobilise in order to retake them. They have been waging a slow, methodical campaign, relying on a small, professional force - it looks very unlikely that they will be able to regain everything with their numerically inferior force in any good time frame, if at all. They will need to mobilise, and that seems to be something Putin simply does not want to do.