England is excessively cucked and really deserves its destruction

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[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It is obvious that you have some sort of grudge towards Britain - I am not really sure why - but either way, it is simply delusional to claim that Collett's post is in any way positive. He is as critical as can be expected within polite company. As to Joel Davis, he does not even make a direct statement about this on his Telegram - perhaps he does so elsewhere.

To be fully frank, I find this needless hostility towards the British monarchy kind of ridiculous. The monarchy has been powerless for centuries, the monarch serves an almost completely ceremonial role. If anything, the royal family is to be pitied. Faulting people for mourning the Queen also seems bizarre - having respect for one's traditions is admirable, and it is also pro-social behaviour. This kind of loyalty should be encouraged and channelled in the appropriate way, towards political reform, rather than being denigrated.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The monarchy has been powerless for centuries, the monarch serves an almost completely ceremonial role. If anything, the royal family is to be pitied.

I used to think the same until /u/Markimus brought up how much of their army is loyal to the crown. In practice they could easily disband the parliament, they have military, they have popular support, everything, it's just that they want to be degenerate celebrities instead of being rulers.

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I think that's seriously overestimating the power of the crown. In the first place, I doubt the royal family are even allowed to move around without handlers to observe and control them. They are supposed to be "apolitical" and this has been the case for a very long time. The political conditions are also not conducive to a coup of that kind. If a powerful clique of politicians, journalists, financiers and activists amenable to something like this existed, perhaps it could be done, but there are no such people. The current prime minister and head of the "conservative", traditionalist and monarchist party is apparently a republican. Not to mention that the senior officers of the British army constitute the most liberal military stratum in perhaps the whole Western world, and when it comes to self-coups it is precisely these senior officers that are important.

I think it is definitely evident that modern aristocrats in general, not just royals, have a kind of inferiority complex that makes them think they are unfit to rule and that their virtue is determined by how "democratic" and "liberal" they are, but I don't really think that's a conscious choice for them either. In my opinion, it is a result of demoralisation and general spiritual weakening, like with the rest of society.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

In the first place, I doubt the royal family are even allowed to move around without handlers to observe and control them. They are supposed to be "apolitical" and this has been the case for a very long time.

The Queen supported BLM.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/10/europe/queen-elizabeth-black-lives-matter-scli-intl-gbr/index.html

Olisa was also asked whether the royal family support BLM. “The answer is easily yes,” he said.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You are proving my point for me - you are quoting a member of the staff who attempts to speak on behalf of the royal family.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm not sure if that's a great defense. If they wanted to be apolitical, why allow someone to represent them and speak at all?

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Examine the issue rationally. The royal family obviously needs to employ staff, some of whom are responsible for handling PR. Some of these staff will abuse their position. In cases like that, the appropriate thing to do would be to fire such people. The tricky part is that this is a lose-lose situation for the royal family, because no matter what they do - no matter if they choose to ignore this or to fire this person - they become the object of political attention. Do you understand?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I knew you were going to bring that up. Sorry, but I disagree. I've seen multibillion dollar companies refuse interviews or issue gag orders on employees avoiding certain topics.

If the Queen lacks such common sense, then she's stupider than I thought. Or just arrogant.

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Or maybe you are the stupid one? Perhaps you should consider that.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Show your nose, rabbi.