The snowball is starting to take shape in America.

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[–]Schlomo_GaschambergRabbi Schlomo Auschwitzstein Gaschamberg 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

At the moment, this is the only hope that anyone has to fulfill the counter-revolution against today's post-revolutionary bilge on the macro-level. We can think of the three main ways that our people have believed that transformative social change is possible. Here, I do not bother with accelerationism because South Africa being crime-ridden and 85% nonwhite or more has not led to any mass awakening, leading me to believe that there is no particular tipping point so long as the process of regressive thirdworldization happens gradually enough, which has been the case so far. (South African Whites have simply became accustomed to their environment, which is likely already the case with Whites who choose to remain in places like Detroit, and this allows them to cling to 'normie' politics.) Here I obviously also exclude micro-level activities seemingly all of which involve 'going irl', the leading of which is the 'parallel society' and forming communities of like-minded people. Obviously if millions of people did the latter, we would be in a very good position (it is simply impossible for them to kill and imprison so many people without validating so much of our worldview, i.e. that Whites are being persecuted simply for the innocuous and morally unobjectionable 'crime' of voluntarily seeking to separate themselves from the crumbling, self-destructive, regressive melting pot of 'humanity'). But thinking on this right now I also think that the formation of groups like PA is also the best step to forming such communities, because it is only in those groups that I see any progress being made in this regard. So let us think solely on the societal level, the macro-level.

Firstly, entryism into centre-right parties has only ever led to mass expulsion of the entrants. In my country (not America) I've seen this happen twice: here, the centre-to-right-leaning mainstream party keeps sliding in a socioculturally radical Left direction and is very resistant to any attempt to reverse that slide. Over the past few years, they've really reduced the numbers of remaining Burkean, paleoconservative types to make way for more centre-to-centre-left neoliberal shitheels whose only interest is in 'jobs', 'GDP' and the like. The same thing is happening in America with all the homos and the Trans-Jenner in the GOP: unable to withstand the Leftward drift, they keep clinging to all sorts of endless compromises with the Left. The GOP's clutching onto perceived lifelines like Kanye West (who has only ever made political donations to radically 'progressive' black Democrats), Elon Musk (who claims that he supports the 'Left-wing of the Republican Party' and the 'Right-wing of the Democratic Party') and Tulsi Gabbard (who only ever became very marginally tolerable most recently) shows their outright desperation. Obviously, all of these perceived lifelines would only ever drag the GOP further in the Democrats' direction.

Secondly, pushing our ideas into the centre-right (i.e. our ideologies controlling their party machinery) in a way that they replace those of the centre-right is progressing too slowly. Yes, segments of the centre-right (particularly in America, I think) seem to have become slightly more J-woke. However, there are too many beliefs which we have, most of which have made no inroads into the centre-right despite our pushing them for decades. After all, most of what the Trumpians have appropriated are memes such as Pepe and Kek, but since these are not accompanied by a genuine appropriation of our beliefs (viz. what actually matters), then they are actually doing more harm to us than good. The reason for this is that by adopting our imagery and not our beliefs, they give the false image of being genuinely counter-revolutionary and thus serving as a pacifier, exactly as the centrist-neoliberal Trump Administration did: at times nationalistic and transformative in rhetoric and yet changing nothing in practice. Furthermore, the ardent philo-Semitism surrounding Trumpianism has served as a wall preventing even the normalization even of this singular belief in 'anti-Semitism'. We've seen the responses to the GDL's posters: shitheel GOP politicians are still outright condemning them. We can only ever say that 'anti-Semitism' has made significant inroads once GOP politicians shut their stupid mouths over what the GDL are doing: only at that point can we safely say that philo-Semitism is no longer politically rewarding and is thus is capable of generating a backlash. Obviously, a politician's overt philo-Semitism is a reflection of his voters' philo-Semitism: even a politician indifferent to Jews will be an ardent philo-Semite if that's what his voters expect.

But here we see that the third and last option really is working, even if it is easy to dismiss on the grounds that electoral victories are impossible. But, regardless, we can clearly see that these three events all occurring—without any low-IQ degenerate Far-Left 'anti-fascist' shitwits and the mindless 'ZOGbot' pigs causing enough trouble to 'shut it down'—is possibly the best thing we've seen in years.

I am hoping that this growth is not merely a reaction to the Biden Presidency, which is every bit the trainwreck Leftoids said the Trump Presidency would be, plus extra. After all, we were growing much faster during the fool Obastard's time, whereas the 'Trump slump' had no positive effect for us, leading people back to entryism and Trumpianism. The Trump years, however, saw the Far-Left more emboldened and brazen, strengthened rather than weakened, whereas it is more difficult to see what good they did for us.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Obviously, a politician's overt philo-Semitism is a reflection of his voters' philo-Semitism: even a politician indifferent to Jews will be an ardent philo-Semite if that's what his voters expect.

Agree with everything up to here except this. Politicians just do what they're paid to do and Shlomo is paying them, not their voters. Voters'/pubic opinion on stuff has literally no bearing on what happens in America (or any democracy). There was a huge study on this I used to talk about on the old subs, I can find it in the archive if you want it.

whereas the 'Trump slump' had no positive effect for us, leading people back to entryism and Trumpianism

I'm not sure about this, I think people are becoming more willing to organise than they were in the past and better educated on how the system works and such. I remember 2015/2016 discourse in the alt right was almost all retarded, even the smart guys had a bunch of straight up wrong ideas like 'pathological altruism' and 'whites are naturally individualistic' cognitive dissonance. Nowadays there is much more clarity and precision, at least if you're following the smart guys and not shills and jabronis. PF and NJP both have come up during the Trump presidency, I can't think of any equivalent level orgs from the Obama era. TWP was the best but they made a bunch of dumb mistakes too, the other predecessor groups to these were pretty much all shit.

[–]Schlomo_GaschambergRabbi Schlomo Auschwitzstein Gaschamberg 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I remember 2015/2016 discourse in the alt right was almost all retarded

Indeed, it was. I started around late 2013 or possibly very early 2014 at the latest. In 2015-16 I used to frequent the TRS forum, and as you say, there were far more memes and trolling, and far more infighting and banning of people who were either degens or hostile trolls. It was more like 4chan pol (which I've never frequented) than anything else I can describe. Nowadays, however, I see less of those types around. I remember some loser calling himself 'Zon Kuthon' who particularly seemed to be mentally ill and who was finally banned after threatening to doxx someone if they didn't send him money. Next to outright infiltrators, it's these kinds of insane, criminally inclined shitheels that are most counter-productive to the cause.

Since Antifa degens have little access to functional people that would 'pass' as 'Far-Right' that mostly leaves the problem of the classic 'Feds', the state agents. Now, that isn't to say that there haven't been Far-Left non-state infiltrators in the past. I remember around 2015 that some idiot with a general skinhead appearance got into the NSM. Of course, the NSM had a lot of low-quality people, making it easier for Antifa to pass. He stole one of their flags and burnt it for his Facebook profile pic. But usually they're suspicious: one Antifa got into PF maybe a year ago, but people noticed that he was particularly out-of-shape and was probably also a homosexual. However, I think he was to do with the PF leaks because someone stupidly put him near their computer systems before he disappeared. We do need to get better at sniffing out infiltrators, particularly since they demotivate people from actually 'going irl', and the fear of them keeps people online.

I think the whole immature infighting/trolling/constant banning thing big in those times is still going on over at Telegram, but I've never used it to see for myself. I remember that Zoltanous character complaining about people spamming CP in his Telegram group. More recently, an older fellow by the name of TexasVet was lambasting one of the GDL people, who kept pushing the idea that he is a Fed. Whatever the case, I do think that a lot of the less serious and more subversive types have faded away over the years.

As for the 'Trump slump', I suppose I missed the obvious fact that PF and NJP did not predate the Trump era. I didn't really know anything about the TWP other than they existed, either. What I'm basing this on is the fact that so many people had confidence particularly in Trumpianism (e.g. that it would be the nucleus of a much larger 'Alt-Right' and that we were 'going mainstream'). This was, I remember thinking at the time, a total media fabrication. Basically, the mass media misappropriated the term 'Alt-Right' for a time and started using it all of a sudden to smear Trump, such that there was even a time when Trump claimed to be 'Alt-Right' until someone pointed out to him what it actually was and he naturally disavowed it. There was even a period for a few months where Trump supporters were calling themselves 'Alt-Right' and accusing us of bizarrely stealing 'their' label. But it ceased almost as rapidly as it started. I noticed years later that Greg Johnson seemed to think that was the apex of the movement: perhaps it was, but it was obvious that Trumpianism is very different from the 'Alt-Right', and if the Trumpianists kept using the label, it would have forced us to stop using it then and there. We couldn't possibly control the Trumpianists because they vastly outnumber us: there's millions of them. Rather than the 'Alt-Right' turning them into ethnonats, they'd end up controlling the 'Alt-Right' and turning it into civic nationalism instead.

Now, the reason why the mass media called Trump 'Alt-Right' was obviously to harm him by linking him to 'extremists', obviously with the intent of damaging his reputation among the masses. But those messages were interpreted differently by the real 'Alt-Right', since the identification of somebody with us naturally makes that person go up in our esteem: 'The mass media says he is like us, so he must be good'. Thus, for example, all the 'God Emperor' meme stuff of that time period. Furthermore, people who are viewed as bad by the mass media and the masses in general also seem to go up in our esteem, for example, all the anti-Putin and anti-Orban bullshit makes us like them a little bit more rather than less: there's the (usually correct) idea that if our enemies hate someone, they must be doing something right.

Of course, by 2019 at the latest even the most enthusiastic supporters of a 'Trumpianist-Alt-Right' fusion became very distanced from the Trumpians, and if anything we're at war with them these days.

But, on the topic of entryism, in 2016 just after Trump was elected, I remember a TRS guy who called himself 'Ghost' who did the stupid thing of showing his face on YouTube, and if I remember rightly, at the same time trying to get into the Republican Party. Unsurprisingly, he got himself doxxed and totally disappeared from the scene altogether. So there were at least some people (this guy and a few others at TRS) at the time who switched their opinion on the way forward to entryism, and that was the fault of Trump's rise and, in particular, of the mass media making him seem excessively 'bad' and 'fascistic' to the hoi polloi (which we naturally reinterpret as adding to, rather than subtracting from, a person's worth).