Dugin's daughter reportedly murdered by a car bomb

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but this is probably just their way of lashing out in an act of ethnic vengeance without any considerations of strategy coming into play

Yeah I think this might be it, good point.

I don't think Dugin knew about this or switched cars for any specific reasons. After all, it is his daughter who died, and he seems to be in shock.

I wasn't implying he knew about it or something insidious, just the reason why he switched cars (as in, "you go home Darya, I'll stay a bit more" or something like that).

I have also already seen lots of people gloating about Darya's murder as well, justifying it in all sorts of abhorrent ways.

It must be that Ukrainians genuinely believe that Dugin is Putin's ideologue and the architect of war. If you believe that, I see why you would rejoice over this, because he'd be responsible for deaths of thousands, and Dugin's fate is worse than his own death quite frankly. Of course, I don't believe this, so it looks quite shocking to me as well.

I mean, there are genuinely bloodthirsty people, but most of them are ordinary people turned extremist because of all the propaganda they're fed.

What's a rignat?

Just me trying to be funny and failing lol, I meant russian wignat (similar to jignat).

[–]NeoRail[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I wasn't implying he knew about it or something insidious, just the reason why he switched cars (as in, "you go home Darya, I'll stay a bit more" or something like that).

That's probably it. They were at a festival and the name of the festival was Tradition, so it's possible that he just stayed behind to chat with others on political and philosophical matters.

It must be that Ukrainians genuinely believe that Dugin is Putin's ideologue and the architect of war.

It is not just Ukrainians either, I am seeing people from the NATO countries as well - Americans, Germans, Frenchmen etc.

I mean, there are genuinely bloodthirsty people, but most of them are ordinary people turned extremist because of all the propaganda they're fed.

I understand that it is very difficult to escape the effects of modern propaganda intellectually, but people still bear moral responsibility for their reaction to this propaganda. I think celebrating the murder of the family members of an enemy is a clear, universal line that should not be crossed. Propaganda alone is not sufficient in order to cross that line.

Just me trying to be funny and failing lol, I meant russian wignat

I see. I am actually not sure what Dugin's position is on reforming Russia. I assume he promotes a more hard-line approach to relations with the West? He claims to be against chauvinism, so I don't know what his stance on nationalism and ultranationalism is, exactly.

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I see. I am actually not sure what Dugin's position is on reforming Russia. I assume he promotes a more hard-line approach to relations with the West? He claims to be against chauvinism, so I don't know what his stance on nationalism and ultranationalism is, exactly.

My understanding is that he wants Russia to be a Continental power house that has influence over the region and the world. He opposes globalism and wants Russia's racial and ethnic make-up to not be altered by importation of non Russians. In other words he wants the Russia empire to go it's own way and oppose the Anglo-Jewish empire and it's agents of subversion like Soros. He's a low key Russian nationalist that wants other regional powers to also oppose globo homo.

Someone that knows him better please chime in if I'm wrong here.

[–]NeoRail[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a more general position that a lot of Russian politicians maintain. Opposing liberalism is very common today. What I am more curious about is the specifics, the positive content of his ideology.