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[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If the religion isn't a thing, what stops you from get an high paid job and just live the most materialist life you can get? Drugs and sex are actually fun by their own. I honestly don't get how one can be nationalist and not religious, liberalism is the best system if you accept atheism.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What I'm saying is that religious stuff is secondary to political stuff. We have material problems to deal with, they're of higher priority. The times of people flocking to churches out of desperation are over, people are leaving the Catholic Church at all-time high rate because the church just isn't there for you, neither materially nor spiritually.

Infighting and driving irreconcilable wedges over stuff which ultimately you cannot prove is like fighting over whether Depeche Mode or Iron Maiden should be official band of the alt-right.

Also, I don't subscribe with the premise that you can't be non-religious and live by honor and virtue. Most religious people don't either, so again, why drive the wedge?

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree with the fact that religious infighting is stupid, even if given that people are born inside traditions, they are not supposed to question them. That's the whole point of the tradition, it's bigger than you and you are required to just accept it. But wathever. Truly pagans will at least have a spirituality.

Also, I don't subscribe with the premise that you can't be non-religious and live by honor and virtue. Most religious people don't either, so again, why drive the wedge?

I don't agree with that for the simple fact that it's impossible to define in an incontrovertible way "virtue and honor" without resorting to some kind of spirituality. So yeah there can be honourable atheists, that's just because they accept to live like if they were religious without any real reason.

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't agree with that for the simple fact that it's impossible to define in an incontrovertible way "virtue and honor" without resorting to some kind of spirituality. So yeah there can be honourable atheists, that's just because they accept to live like if they were religious without any real reason.

I think it is inborn for some people. To put it another way, it is possible for someone to reject religion "ideologically", but still conceive of his self and his personality in an integral way that encompasses not only the material self, but also the spiritual self and higher principles. Honour and virtue are valued not because of this or that reason, but because of a given nature and an affinity for those things. The danger in these cases is the possibility of eventually adopting ideological materialism and being affected by that outlook in the long term.