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[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

https://www.iltempo.it/politica/2022/08/01/news/elezioni-politiche-2022-marco-rizzo-attacca-giorgia-meloni-sovranismo-cartone-mario-draghi-32614427/

What happened is basically that the Italian communists turned heavily nationalists, putting themselves to the right of FdI, which is widely recognized as a fascist party (I'm not taking in account the American left wing definition of fascism because it's totally meaningless).

So I agree with you, communism is not anti white. But that's because historical happenings removed the anti-traditional and anti-national elements of the communism, leaving a core of economics and politics which merges pretty well with ethnonationalism

Edit: also fascism was from in his inception anti-capitalist and basically socialist, read http://bibliotecafascista.blogspot.com/2012/03/the-manifesto-of-verona-1943.html?m=1 (unfortunately, not English wiki page for this one, there's the Italian version thought)

[–]HeWhoGlows[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Holy fuck this is based. They are openly calling out the (((fascists))) for being russophobic nato/israel cock sucking scum, which they are. Communists are infinitely more based.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"based" means the absolute opposite of what communism stands for...

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Possibly. on the "street" level there are both cultural leftish so called "communists", which are in fact just social liberals, and what i tend to consider true communists, like the ones from the actual communist party and the good guys of Patria Socialista (Socialist Fatherland). They are kinda trying to make some overture to the right wing "street" base like, on individual level, but nothing official. The ones i met i reguarded them as highly compatible with my belief system and my goals, and i assume that they liked me also since we're still in contact. But they don't have a big party to advance their platform, so we're still better with FdI for the times being. At least we will get bigger army and less immigrants.

[–]HeWhoGlows[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How does FdI differ from George W. Bush era American Neocons in any meaningful way? They are fanatically Atlanticist, pro-Israel and support neoliberal economics, while upholding Christian conservatism and using pseudo-patriotic rhetoric. That is exactly like Bush era American GOP. They may be a bit tougher on immigration but only because immigrants in Italy are mostly Muslim, who for some obvious (((reasons))) it is more acceptable to criticize than non-Muslim immigrants.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The party has an open tradition linked directly to the national fascist party. Most of his active base is explicitely fascist. Also they support protectionism and welfare state, whihc is the opposite of neoliberalism. Meloni is indeed extremly pro-nato and probably a good chunck of the rest of the party but eh, whatever. It's not like italy can actually exit from NATO tomorrow - except from the economic consequences, we don't have the military power to provide our own defense. So for now i'm fine if i will get a bigger army.

also, my expectations from politics in general are extremly low, so in my opinion FdI is worth even they just manage to not change the citizienship law and to reduce immigration.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Communism has always worked well with nationalism, it just reduces nationalism to one of its many tools to control the population. It is possible to work with leftist nationalism, but it's a difficult, risky and intellectually challenging task.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think is going to happen anyway. Communism, as much as fascism in his historical form, is a spent force. We need - and must - build up on more radical propositions, meaning that we must return to the roots of our claims and to build from there. Nationalism, traditionalism, (non marxist) socialism, so to speak. But in everyday life the people who are heavily involved in radical politics are going to prefer to call themselves with names like fascist and communist just because those are historically successful attempts and are highly regarded as such.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Personally, I am leaning most towards Traditionalism. Unfortunately, most political activity today seems limited to a very basic level, regardless of its actual position - be it nationalist, right-populist, traditionalist, leftist, etc. On the other hand, the ruling elite and their liberal-democratic ideology are similarly incoherent.